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  1. Speaking of WordPress, I just discovered that pressing “n” gives me a Disqus-style history of reactions to my posts and comments. That’s new (to me).

    Bill, automoderation is not some sort of oracle. If you reveal what software you’re using, it’s possible to fix it, or replace it, I guarantee. WordPress is complex, not mysterious. There’s a difference.

  2. @ Carl Fink – Bill has revealed on a number of occasions that he does have the power to add words to a specific “reject” list(*), but he has no control over the rest of the algorithm, which is built into WordPress.
    P.S. A few of the words are publicly known, such as the verb that describes what a vacuum does, but most of them are confidential (otherwise people would just use Russian fonts or Leet to bypass the system).

  3. Carl, I didn’t know about that ‘n’ key shortcut either!

    One thing it highlights for me, though, is that there are a few different interfaces I get at different times, and not just based on using different devices/platforms. In particular, sometimes a comment is being expressly entered as reply to a previous comment; and sometimes seems to be just adding to the list of comments on a post (as right now). — What that has to do with Carl’s shortcut is that the comments shown as replies to my comments seems to be just the former kind.

  4. And it also by selection can show Likes — which similarly brings up the unclear circumstances when the interface includes Like buttons and counts, and when (almost always) it does not.

  5. @ Mitch4 – Presumably that only works on comments made by people who use the “reply” feature in the WP interface? If there’s a way to flag a comment so that WordPress knows that it is a reply (instead of just letting readers figure it out), please let the rest of us know.

  6. Well, here I used the Reply button In the email , and now the page says Leave a Reply to Kilby above the text box where I’m typing. I wouldn’t know how to get here if I had started on the web page first.

  7. ” but he has no control over the rest of the algorithm, which is built into WordPress.”

    But when people (like me) are put in the *permanent* moderation list there *must* be some record somewhere marking me to *never* be allowed through. Or lack thereof to ever allow other people in. If there were no record I don’t see how it could be *permanent*— which it is.

  8. woozy, maybe it’s not your identity or email, but your nickname — just as a word, it might be algorithmically discriminated against. Maybe as an experiment you could try posting without that nickname?

  9. Also, using this thread to illustrate something discussed further back. This kind of page — WP “Reader view” on CIDU feed — is where the indented structure for replies appears, along with being able to click “Reply” to register your comment as a reply, and the stars to give a Like, along with Like counts. I’m going to take a screenshot before clicking Send.

  10. Aha! That one is in moderation, and perhaps (in accord with the theory it expresses) because it addresses a certain previous poster by his nickname, which may AS A WORD be on a banned list in the algorithm.

  11. My last three comments above, after w’s 12:34 PM (you may not yet be able to see them all) were entered in the timestamp order you see here, yes, but not in linear succession. You should be able to see that in the image.

  12. Woops, sent before done.
    1) My 2:46 PM “W, maybe it’s not” was entered as reply to W’s 12:34, and is in moderation as we speak
    2) My 2:51 PM “Also, using this thread” was entered as reply to (1), and in indented mode would fall under it in subthread
    3) My 2:53 PM “Aha! That one” was entered as another reply to W’s 12:34, and in indented thread mode would not be seen as reply to “Also, using”

    Anyway, in the image, screenshot from WP’s Reader mode on CIDU feed, you can see the indent structure for reply threading, the clickable Reply label to make a reply, the stars to record a Like, and a count of Likes. And a count of comments for the article.

  13. >Maybe as an experiment you could try posting without that nickname?

    I posted for several months without an issue. And then last September I was put in permanent moderation. I tried many different usernames but all of them were moderated for the second and third postings as well as just the first. I suspect it is probably my e-mail domain. Which is a self managed one I host.

  14. Carl, some years back the moderation filter on the Crimeweek site failed and within days it was overwhemed with spam to the point that the entire site had to be wiped (the extent of GoDaddy’s help being “Hire an IT person.”)

    CIDU’s filter is clearly flawed, but it works. It works too well sometimes, and it’s annoying both to be victimized by it and to have to check the moderation file every few hours, but I’m not going to mess with it because I don’t want to risk Son of Comicgeddon.

  15. @ woozy – The first e-mail address I had in Germany was on a server called “snafu”, which I found mildly amusing. The name became a problem when Verizon adopted a bunch of snotty policies against self-perceived “security weaknesses” in European e-mail systems. Among other things, Verizon had imposed censorship to prevent any dirty words from offending the delicate ears of their American customers. Since “snafu” was on the list of those “dirty” words, any e-mail that I sent using that URL in my return address was rejected. Luckily, the server had an alternate “CNAME”, and switching over to that URL both solved the problem and verified the stupidity of Verizon’s idiotic censorship.

  16. P.S. @ Bill – My reply to w00zy landed in the moderation queue, so maybe his name is indeed on the prohibited list.

  17. P.P.S. @ w00zy – Perhaps changing your spelling to use zeroes would be an acceptable way to bypass the filter?

  18. It not the name. one there is *nothing* naughty about “woozy” and second many, people have responded to my post without going into moderation.

  19. Is there any difference in posts being put into moderation between those who are signed up with WordPress and those of us who are not?

  20. I put out the monthly newsletter for my embroidery chapter (I am the computer expert and prepare and send not only my Treasurer’s annual report to the national organization, but the secretary’s minutes to the region director monthly and the president’s annual – now semi-annual report, run the website and write and email out the monthly newsletter – depending on what i am sending to who I either sign my name and put “Treasurer”, Webmaster/newsletter editor” or all three with slashes between.

    About 2 years ago I suddenly had newsletters being rejected for all the members who had email addresses through the local cable/Internet/TV company – all the other emails went through fine. The Internet co was rejecting the newsletters as they offensive material in them. Heck – this is a newsletter for embroiders – meeting date/time, what to bring to the meeting, directions to meeting location, thank yous for last month program/snack, items from our National that might be of interest to members, items from our Region which might be of interest to our members, and exhibitions, events, websites, stores, etc related to textiles – maybe “time to renew” – what was offensive and only same to the local cable co – gmail, yahoo, verizon aol (old ladies in the group), etc. no problem.

    I finally figured it out – our newsletter is named Thread, Needle, Thimble (stopping at this point for moment – can you figure out the problem? ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    Yes, I abbreviating the name of the newsletter in the subject line and in my mention of it in the email accompanying the pdf file of the newsletter (and other attachments) apparently the local Internet company found TNT offensive. Since then I write the title out in full in the subject line and otherwise refer to it as “the newsletter”. No more problems.

    When I had to redo this I wrote in the accompanying email that with that issue and the future issues the title would be written out in full as there was a problem with the abbreviated title with info about same. I have to send the newsletter to the other chapters in the Region.

    One of the other editors wrote back to me – she had a problem in the recent past with the name of their chapter with the local Internet company. The chapter is the Skykill chapter and was being rejected for the use of “kill” in the name.

  21. Sorry – the line of dots made more sense in the writing box than it came out – was suppose to be a timeout to for the reader to figure out the problem, hope it does not make a problem.

  22. At one point I was using an edress that was from a service which cuts down spam. It’s a fine, usable address, like I use for many other things. WordPress sent every single post from that edress into moderation. I went back to using a non-existent edress, that I can’t receive e-mail from, and WordPress was happy again.

  23. One of the problems with spam/language filters is the “Scunthorpe” problem, where the offending term appears in a longer word. It’s not that easy to fix, as spammers are wise and will sometimes jam words together to avoid filters that require whole words. If the message is just going to a human moderator, it’s not that big of a deal. When it’s just kicked to the bit-bucket, then it can be a problem.

  24. Well, an “a” prefix means not or non, so this would be something that keeps you from being ruled by fate – the fate of getting spammed.

    This is just my immediate thought. I have no idea if it was the actual reason for the name.

  25. >I went back to using a non-existent edress, that I can’t receive e-mail from

    Wait. By “non-existent”, do you main as in not real? Such as “idiot@nuttickle.com”. We can do that?

  26. I’m pretty sure there’s an option to have the system confirm an address is real; but I try to keep things as non-obtrusive as possible, so the email address you use is basically the same as a user name. I think the FAQ used to mention that you can just make up an address.

  27. I used a ridiculous name at Yahoo.com. Eventually, I realized that even ridiculous names might be used, so I created a Yahoo account with that name, but did not create an e-mail account for it. So it exists such that no one else can get that edress, but I don’t have it either.

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