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  1. Does Roz own the salon & the diner? Roz’s reaction might make sense if she knew the sister, but if she knew the sister, she’d know she was in stir. What do birds do at a hair salon, anyhow?

    This one is a mille feuille of confusion.

  2. Normally a coming-out party is a debut party for a debutante. Mother Goose may have thought that a coming-out party for the sister of a hairdresser (featherdresser?) amounted to putting on inappropriate airs. It’s kind of a snarky reaction for her, but I guess everyone has their lapses.

    I take it that Roz noticed but misunderstood Mother Goose’s reaction, hence her expression in the final panel. I’m not sure if Roz thinks that parole is better or worse than coming out as gay.

  3. @Downpuppy: I’m pretty sure that this Roz in Mother Goose & Grimm and the Roz who has Roz’s Diner in Shoe are two different bird ladies.

  4. I’ve only heard “coming out party” used for debutantes. “Coming out” is of course an expression for “coming out of the closet” as gay, but AFAIK, there’s not usually a party associated with it.

  5. I don’t know if that is supposed to be a smirk or just a comment. If someone says “Hey, my sister’s gay!” it doesn’t make any sense to smirk no matter how homophobic or reactionary you are are– you haven’t sussed any deep secret that the other person didn’t just put in the open.

    Does Mike Peters *think* people have “coming out parties” for announcing they are gay? I imagine must people might not have heard of a coming out party and might assume with no other context that it must mean they are coming out as gay.

    Then again it could be a smirk. I think during the whole “Barbie turns 50” sequence Mike Peters proved himself to be out of touch and unpleasant.

  6. Winter Wallaby has a good point. I think Peters is conflating ‘Coming out party’ and ‘gender reveal party’. This strip is descending into Batiukness.

  7. The humour (such as it is) relies on the customer (and the reader, I think the creator hopes) confusing a coming out party for debutantes with coming out as gay and then pulling the switcheroo on both and talking about a welcome home party for a convict. So which is supposed to be more shameful, a convict in the family or a gay? As Usual John says, it seems unclear.

    I wonder if “coming out party” (in the debutante sense) is becoming a geezer reference. It seem very old fashioned and I have never travelled in those circles and I’m not sure it was ever a Canadian thing. There are still plenty of references to it in old movies and books and TV shows, but does it really have any currency with common folk? Did it ever?

  8. The debut and the coming-out party date to a time when children were supposed to be seen and not heard or, preferably, neither. When girls were thought to be old enough to participate in adult society, they would have their debut, beginning with a coming-out party and continuing with a dizzying round of parties and functions. Implicitly, this was about setting up the young lady for a suitable marriage; it was not necessarily expected that the debutante would be quickly engaged, but the idea was to establish the connections that would one day result in matrimony with a desirable suitor.

    I understand that there are still places, especially in parts of the South, where the debut still takes place. For the most part, however, it is a long superseded concept. Upper class young women are expected first to see to their education, and then to embark upon a career. Spending time and effort on a debut would be seen as frivolous and would likely be counterproductive.

    So the coming-out party is something that was never in most people’s experience, and in most areas it has not been practiced for decades. I think it’s a geezer concept.

    @Brian: I don’t see the relevance of the gender reveal party. Certainly you wouldn’t mention your sister’s coming gender reveal party (see Roz’s first line in the strip).

  9. I was going to make a snide comment about how they seem old fashioned and *very* snobby and that naturally most people would find the class stratified relics to be avoided …. but then it occurred to me…. in terms of social rituals is it really any different or serve any other purpose than a quinceañera?

  10. There is a series of mystery novels by Carolyn Haines, set in a small town in the Mississippi delta. Prominently featured are the “Daddy’s Girls”, the daughters of rich and powerful men who are expected in turn to marry other rich and powerful men. The protagonist is a renegade DG who has taken to working as an unlicensed PI to save the family estate.

  11. “Certainly you wouldn’t mention your sister’s coming gender reveal party (see Roz’s first line in the strip).”

    Why the heck not? You’d mention your sister’s baby shower so why not your sister’s gender reveal party.

    I think Brian is right. I think Mike Peters has heard that gender reveals are a new but very common social event (gives me the creeps… but I’m a curmudgeon) and heard someone use he phrase coming out party and assuming revealing you were gay as a party was a current common event.

    I meant to ask my millenial friends if they knew what one was but … I forgot.

  12. I thought the “Oh really?” could be a response to the coming-out-as-gay sense, and would imply “I thought it was obvious to everybody”.

  13. My favorite coming-out scene is in a fairly-obscure soap-opera type of web comic. The character is a college student living in an apartment with other college students and he’s invited his parents for dinner with the guys and decides that this is the time.

    Kid: “Mom, Dad, … I’m gay.”
    Mom (to Dad): “Told you. Pay up.”

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