Sunday Funnies - September 3, 2017

Cidu Bill on Sep 3rd 2017

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32 Responses to “Sunday Funnies - September 3, 2017”

  1. Ted from Ft. Laud Sep 3rd 2017 at 12:57 am 1

    Quite like the Off the Mark and That is Priceless.

    But I have to admit, I’m not sure I get the New Yorker cartoon - is it supposed to be something about Labor Day marking the “end of summer”? It’s likely where I am, but the drained pool makes no sense to me - not only do we never have a (non-repair related) reason to drain them, but it is dangerous to do so. And given that it’ll likely be brutally hot here for 2 more months or more and pool weather for 3 more or so, “end of summer” doesn’t seem to apply. (Of course, for northerners, it will likely be pool weather here all “winter”, but most locals wouldn’t go into a pool much below 82°F, and eventually they normally drop below that - heated pools being very rare, except maybe commercially.) Also, the kids have been back to school for a couple of weeks by now. (And we don’t really have the 4 seasons anyway - we have 2: dry and rainy.)

    Or did I miss that one completely?

  2. Cidu Bill Sep 3rd 2017 at 01:40 am 2

    Wouldn’t a non-drained pool freeze in the winter? That can’t be good.

  3. James Pollock Sep 3rd 2017 at 02:24 am 3

    “we don’t really have the 4 seasons anyway - we have 2: dry and rainy.”

    There’s only two seasons here, either, which are known locally as “rainy season” and “July”.

  4. James Pollock Sep 3rd 2017 at 02:30 am 4

    I think the pool one, rather than being specific to pools, is a reference to the way resort towns seem to dry up and disappear when the season ends. “What… you still here? Go home!”

  5. Kilby Sep 3rd 2017 at 05:48 am 5

    @ Bill (2) - Draining an underground pool completely is usually more dangerous than leaving the water in. Without at least some of the weight of the water in the pool, the reactive forces (basically pressure from the outside earth) can do serious damage to the foundation, or even start to “lift” the pool out of the ground.

    In most “normal” climates, only the top layer of the water will freeze (just like with a pond). Ground temperatures underneath the pool will generally run around 50 degrees, but this is complicated by the fact that the steel reinforcing the concrete will “conduct the cold”(*) downward faster than normal earth. Still, it’s very unusual for a pond (or a pool) to freeze clear to the bottom.

    It’s not uncommon for pool operators to compromize by draining just half (or 2/3rds) of the pool, this has the advantage that the ice layer forms lower down, where the concrete and steel reinforcement on the sides is much stronger. For really cold climates, they can leave a small heater running, or add a little antifreeze to the water, or just not build an uncovered outside pool in the first place.

    P.S. (*) - Yes, I know that it’s not the cold that is conducted down, but rather the heat that is conducted up, but it’s easier to visualize the other way around.

  6. Brent Sep 3rd 2017 at 06:39 am 6

    We only have two seasons here, too… winter and construction.

  7. Andréa Sep 3rd 2017 at 09:18 am 7

    WIZ OF ID: If the clock is broken, how does he know what time it is to be the clock?

  8. Carl Sep 3rd 2017 at 09:22 am 8

    I grew up in Florida, and I too was surprised to see that here on Long Island, city pools are in fact emptied over the winter.

  9. Ted from Ft. Laud Sep 3rd 2017 at 10:04 am 9

    “Wouldn’t a non-drained pool freeze in the winter? That can’t be good.”

    I have no personal experience with such freezing. But even in cold winter places, I don’t think so.
    [For the rest, read Kilby’s response, which covered effectively everything I started typing but didn’t finish before he did…]

    As a slight addendum: here the concern about the hydrostatic pressure is almost exclusively related to pool shells popping out of the ground - as our foundations are exclusively slabs, they really aren’t at risk (but hydrostatic pressure is the main reason we don’t have basements). In fact, all pools have a “hydrostatic plug” inside the main drain - if the pool needs to be drained for repair activities, the plug is removed to relieve the pressure (by letting water in from below).

  10. James Pollock Sep 3rd 2017 at 12:59 pm 10

    If the clock is fixed, why doesn’t it have the correct time on it? Rodney says it’s five, but the clock shows 3 or 4, which is its own problem since the minute hand is on 12, so the hour hand should be directly over either 3 or 4, not halfway between them.

  11. Mitch4 Sep 3rd 2017 at 02:43 pm 11

    Baby carrots are fine, but I still get a little freaked out by baby corn.

  12. Cidu Bill Sep 3rd 2017 at 02:57 pm 12

    My grandparents owned a resort in upstate New York, and the pool was always drained in the winter for just that reason (and, I assume, so somebody could check it for cracks or other problems in the spring).

    We have a photo somewhere of me in the empty pool throwing a ball against the wall near the 6′ sign.

  13. Cidu Bill Sep 3rd 2017 at 02:59 pm 13

    Andréa (7), he’s probably wearing an hourglass watch.

    In cartoons and comic strips, people ALWAYS wear hourglass watches.

  14. James Pollock Sep 3rd 2017 at 03:14 pm 14

    When I was a young man, I had a friend who had a pool on their property, and it was drained in the wintertime because A) nobody was going to use it, and B) it would have grown God-knows-what with nobody tending to it.

  15. larK Sep 3rd 2017 at 03:37 pm 15

    I get the New Yorker one perfectly: the pools around here (Bergen County NJ) shut down exactly on Labor Day, come hell or heat wave. Someone decided that that is the end of summer, and by gosh by darn, that means the pools are closed, don’t care what the weather is doing, nu-uh, I can’t heeear you! Part of it is that the life guards tend to be high-schoolers, and Labor Day ties in to the start of school, after which they won’t be available anymore (even on weekends? Shutup!).

    So, you’re relaxing in the pool, not a care in the world, suddenly some outside force declares that the summer is over, and bam! you’re sitting in the bottom of a drained pool, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  16. Cidu Bill Sep 3rd 2017 at 03:50 pm 16

    Also, with schools opening just after Labor Day (the norm for NY and NJ), there just won’t be many people USING the pool.

    I wonder about the areas where school re-opens in mid-August: do public pools still stay open until Labor Day?

  17. Wendy Sep 3rd 2017 at 06:03 pm 17

    As Ted has pointed out, there’s another couple months of pool time in Florida. The pools do tend to cut back their hours, however, many support swim teams and water aerobics classes, and some have shallow play areas open in the mornings for toddlers and their parents, so there are possible reasons to be open even on weekdays after school starts.

  18. Kamino Neko Sep 3rd 2017 at 08:47 pm 18

    It’s worth noting that nothing about the pool in that cartoon that suggests it’s a public pool. There’s only two people, it’s drawn as a round pool (rare, though not unknown in public ones), the curve being pretty strong, so not a large one, and they had one of those floaty tables with a beverage on it.

  19. Mark in Boston Sep 3rd 2017 at 08:47 pm 19

    But don’t the mama carrots freak out when the baby carrots are taken away from them?

    (As for where “baby carrots” REALLY come from — don’t the mama carrots freak out when they are turned into baby carrots?)

  20. mitch4 Sep 3rd 2017 at 10:53 pm 20

    Yes, that’s kind of what makes “baby carrots” feel okay — they seem like they could have been produced by trimming. But “baby corn” is clearly an undeveloped ear of corn. You see the cob (but it’s soft and chewable!) and the tiny little developing kernels. It’s so insistently a juvenile of the species!

    I don’t worry at all about “new potatoes” however. Don’t even know if it’s the same sort of thing.

  21. larK Sep 3rd 2017 at 11:00 pm 21

    Yeah, well, that’s the thing: it doesn’t really matter if the pool is public or private, ALL pools shut down when the dog whistle of Labor Day goes off, damnit, public, private, or whatnot. Our building’s pool shuts down on Labor Day, and it’s private, and even though you’d think we could have some say into when it shuts down, or opens — nope! It is a fundamental law of nature that pools are open from Memorial Day to Labor Day. Asking whether pools can exist past Labor Day is crazy talk!

  22. Cidu Bill Sep 4th 2017 at 12:06 am 22

    Maybe it’s an insurance thing: the policy covers the pool from Memorial Day through Labor Day so after that point, no matter how hot the weather is, nobody can risk the liability.

  23. Kilby Sep 4th 2017 at 04:11 am 23

    I remember that Maryland occasionally started the school year in late August (depending on the week in which Labor Day fell). As a student, this seemed massively unfair. On the other hand, Virginia had passed a law mandating that school was not allowed to start before Labor Day. This was referred to (rather snidely) as the “King’s Dominion Subsistance Law” (a local amusement park).

  24. Keera Sep 4th 2017 at 04:20 am 24

    James @3, summer in July? Not in Bergen, Norway. I mean, it rains all year round here, but especially in July because the weather gods know when most Norwegians go on vacation.

  25. Olivier Sep 4th 2017 at 04:55 am 25

    When water is very expensive (Bay area), you don’t empty your pool.
    Wizard of Id : possible allusion to Big Ben ?

  26. Kilby Sep 4th 2017 at 06:37 am 26

    @ Olivier (25) - If your “Big Ben” theory were true, the comic would be four years too early.

  27. Olivier Sep 4th 2017 at 06:57 am 27

  28. Christine Sep 4th 2017 at 12:02 pm 28

    Last summer there was a major heat wave over the labour day weekend. (Whereas this summer I’m looking at the 30+ degree heat we had and actually thinking that sounds like it would be nice). The city listed the local splash pad as being open until the Labour Day weekend. What they didn’t specify is that they meant the Sunday of Labour Day weekend. (Note that we were far from the only people to make this mistake - despite the long weekend, several other families showed up while we were playing at the playground as a consolation outing for our daughter).

    To make matters worse, the bus service in our city is awful, especially on Sundays/holidays, the close pool had already started it’s annual maintenance shutdown, and the weather was far too hot for active transportation. so the pool comic, whether or not it makes sense, hits far too close to home for me.

  29. Ted from Ft. Laud Sep 4th 2017 at 04:06 pm 29

    Labor Day isn’t particularly significant as a marker here - like I said, the schools have been in session for a couple of weeks, the weather is what the weather was, and people don’t stop wearing white… (And July is in the middle of the rainy season.)

    Expanding on Wendy’s comment:
    Around here, the “public” pools (whether county, city, or whatever related - there are almost no public schools with pools) tend to fall into 2 categories - competition/training and recreational (of course, some aquatic centers have both). The competition pools are used by swim teams (school and standalone) as well as the public, and are almost always open year round (and often have heating and cooling - to remain within competition limits). The exclusively recreational facilities (which may include water slides and other amenities) are sometimes open year and sometimes not - these are usually much shallower and are less likely to have temperature control. Even those that are not open year round are open for longer seasons than up north (April through October is common, with perhaps weekend only openings at the beginning and end). That isn’t universal - Venetian Pool, which is a “natural” pool (actually, a reworked rock quarry of 820,000 gallons) is - last I heard - only closed December and January. It has no temperature control, though unlike any other pool in the region it is not just emptied and refilled - they do this daily (from the aquifer, which acts as a “natural” temperature control). Individual homes’ pools are rarely heated, so are often not actually used for 4-6 months every year, but they aren’t emptied - as noted, there is danger to the pool itself when it is emptied, as well as the danger of a 6′ deep hole in the backyard, and the costs to refill it. During much of the year, mine is only used by the turtle, who isn’t bothered unless the water gets very cold.

  30. Brian in STL Sep 4th 2017 at 09:26 pm 30

    When I lived in an apartment complex, they kept the pool filled but floated some metal barrels in it.

  31. Meryl A Sep 5th 2017 at 02:35 am 31

    When Robert was a boy his parents drained the above ground pool they had.

    We go to a local Post Office daily to check our box there. For the first 20 years when I went alone, I parked on the street to do this. Robert cannot deal with getting out of the car in traffic so we now park at a town owned park around corner which has a pool. Tomorrow, the day after Labor Day when we go past the pool it will be empty. I know this from past years. They used to fill it for July 1, but this year for some reason they filled it a couple of weeks before. We have presumed that when the pool is filled and emptied is based on liability and the cost of maintaining it if it is not open for use.

    There seem to be a number of local camps which use the pool for their children. About the middle of August the pool area was suddenly rather empty and it seems that the camps were no longer there - why, I have no idea.

    School here traditionally started the Wednesday after Labor Day and on the Monday after same for NYC (they had no snow days in their schedule as only in more recent years have they closed for snow and then rarely). I always thought this was how it was all over the country and was surprised to find out that is not so. This year at least one district started before Labor Day and many are starting tomorrow (again, day after). It seems many districts have a clause in their teacher union contract that they cannot start before Labor Day. The districts need more days during the year to reach the required 180 days as some have added new holidays to their calendar - allowing days off for Muslim and/or Hindu holidays. (Some districts in an attempt at political correctness are listing that the school is closed when there is a day off, with no reference as to why - controversial.) In addition I can see with recent years districts wanting to add more snow days. I know it can be a mess to set up the schedule as Robert used to have to do it for the agency/school he ran - worst of all is when Easter and Passover do not coincide.

  32. Lola Sep 8th 2017 at 07:46 pm 32

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