Cidu Bill on Apr 19th 2017


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  1. mitch4 Apr 19th 2017 at 12:55 am 1

    Ah, a vintage Guy & Rodd, not a Dan Thompson.

    For all his good intentions in setting up the recycling station, we see he has wasted almost an entire big tree to make just the sign and the bin.

  2. AaronB Apr 19th 2017 at 01:01 am 2

    It’s pointing out the hypocrisy of many in the environmental movement. This guy is an environmentalist who wants to save the world by promoting recycling, so he commits an environmental disaster by cutting down a huge old-growth tree and using only a small portion of it to create a recycling bin with very little capacity.

  3. James Pollock Apr 19th 2017 at 01:29 am 3

    You don’t see the stump, so maybe he’s recycling a fallen tree into something.

    I have vague recollections of cartoons from my childhood. In one of them, automated machinery took logs and cut them down into individual toothpicks (that is, one per log).
    In another, a bowling alley has an automated factory that takes trees and mills them into new bowling pins every time someone knocks the old ones down. A GIANT pile of discarded bowling pins is outside, behind the building.

  4. Cidu Bill Apr 19th 2017 at 01:43 am 4

    Part of me was hoping somebody would say “You ran this one already.”

  5. Melqart Apr 19th 2017 at 01:43 am 5

    Well, we do need somewhere recycle your straw man.

  6. Kilby Apr 19th 2017 at 02:21 am 6

    The first cartoon that JP mentioned @3 (with the “Goofy Gophers”) also has a scene in which a tree is shredded into sawdust, which is mixed with glue, and then baked in a form to produce “artificial firelogs”.

    P.S. @ Bill (4) - If you did, it wasn’t tagged the same as this one was. However, hunting for it revealed a very interesting list.

  7. narmitaj Apr 19th 2017 at 05:01 am 7

    I too remembered the cartoon with the tree reduced to a toothpick, having last seen it in the 70s or maybe the 60s. Using Kilby’s Gophers clue I found it online, but the toothpick scene looks very different from how I remembered it. Here’s the full cartoon; for the specific sawdust and toothpicks segment, start from 3:34 :

  8. Kilby Apr 19th 2017 at 07:04 am 8

    Thanks to narmitaj (@7) for that URL, which appears to be an invaluable, if slightly suspicious (meaning anonymous) resource. I was very interested to see that they even allow downloading the .MP4 files (instead of streaming the video). They also have the “Animaniacs” archived, which I have not been able to find in Region 2 DVD format.

  9. Mark M Apr 19th 2017 at 10:59 am 9

    LOL for me. Reminds me of other situations like when my workplace urged us to bring in our own cups for coffee. As I wash it with soap and water every day and then wipe it with a paper towel I can think about how much I’m saving the environment.

  10. Christine Apr 19th 2017 at 02:11 pm 10

    @Melqart The level of ignorance that some people display is too staggering to just be able to excuse it as “good intentions”. I know a woman who, in all seriousness, thought that “if we had the money, we could knock this building down & replace it with a modern, energy-efficient one” was actually good environmentally-friendly logic. And didn’t seem to care when the backwardsness of that was pointed out to her. There have been studies showing that people agree that they should be line-drying their clothes outside, but keep not managing to do so. And yet these same people will default to washing in hot water.

    The problem with “the environmental movement” is that it’s no longer a movement - it’s just expected. And so many people with no clue of what they’re actually doing are trying to jump on the bandwagon. And so when the city blocks a department store from putting up windmills that won’t actually generate net electricity, people get upset because they’re windmills, and doesn’t the city support renewables? A builder advertises “net-zero houses” in a new development, and rather than getting run out of town on a rail for such blatant lies, they get congratulated for being environmentally-friendly.

    Now, I myself might argue that the term hypocrite is better applied to the people who do things like buy a hybrid car because it’s better for the planet, and then proceed to do enough extra driving to undo all the savings, while still being smug about being environmentally friendly. And the comic is definitely closer to the corporate examples I raised. But it’s a really common problem either way.

  11. Cidu Bill Apr 19th 2017 at 02:19 pm 11

    Kilby (6), it was interesting re-reading that list after 9 years.

    I should update it sometime soon.

  12. TGD Apr 19th 2017 at 02:35 pm 12

    Re 3,6 and 7, I also recall seeing a cartoon with that theme, but it was much older, in a style I now associate with Betty Boop cartoons. Also, as I recall, they used a lathe to reduce trees to toothpicks, and not a pencil sharpener. It would not surprise me at all if Warner Bros recycled an old cartoon to bring it “up to date” for another generation.

  13. Jason Apr 19th 2017 at 03:07 pm 13

    @James Pollock (3)

    The bowling pins one was done on The Simpsons (wasn’t everything?)

  14. James Pollock Apr 19th 2017 at 04:06 pm 14

    “The bowling pins one was done on The Simpsons (wasn’t everything?)”

    I’m pretty sure that’s an homage.

  15. Christine Apr 19th 2017 at 07:03 pm 15

    The toothpicks were the chipmunks. The one where they rebuilt their tree at the end out of furniture from the factory.

  16. James Pollock Apr 19th 2017 at 07:46 pm 16

    I’m pretty sure there are multiple variations of the “trees into toothpicks” imagery, and that’s why it isn’t jumping clearly to mind for me. The Goofy Gophers is almost definitely part of what I’m remembering, but also keep getting flashes of the 2 dogs that get caught in the “home of the future” where everything is automated, and I’m not sure if that’s just my brain crossing 40-year-old memories of cartoon automated machinery.

    Google led me to this one:

    Which is almost definitely NOT the sequence I’m remembering.

  17. PeterW Apr 19th 2017 at 09:18 pm 17

    One of my Youtube rabbit holes is lathe videos. I hate how wasteful that kind of woodworking is, but it can produce beautiful results and the process is hypnotic. And technically sawdust has uses.

    Adam Ruins Everything did a segment on how getting a brand new electric or hybrid vehicle right now is probably not the best thing for the environment, because unless your current car is horrifically inefficient, the emissions savings won’t offset what went into building that brand new car.

    Logic and reason are hard, dancing to the marketers’ tune is easy.

  18. chuckers Apr 19th 2017 at 10:46 pm 18

    @JP #16

    That was the cartoon I was remembering. However, it was NOT framed as this clip was. I think it had something to do with modernization or something. That was the right clip but not the whole cartoon.

  19. chuckers Apr 19th 2017 at 10:53 pm 19

    And of course reading the comments of the clip AFTER I posted lead me to the full cartoon:

  20. James Pollock Apr 19th 2017 at 11:39 pm 20

    “Adam Ruins Everything did a segment on how getting a brand new electric or hybrid vehicle right now is probably not the best thing for the environment, because unless your current car is horrifically inefficient, the emissions savings won’t offset what went into building that brand new car.”

    Adam, however, may not be right.

    The NET environmental impact of manufacturing and using automobiles would go down if more people chose more efficient vehicles. However, this is a decision that most of us make fairly irregularly. If you focus in on one individual transaction, then discarding a vehicle which still has useful life in order to take a new one that is more efficient is wasteful (because of all the energy costs in manufacturing outweigh the slight improvement in operating efficiency), that’s not actually what happens (usually, anyways). You trade in your old car, and someone else buys and uses it, because it is more efficient than their old vehicle. And so on, cascading down until someone takes an old, VERY inefficient vehicle and scraps it. If you buy a new hybrid but keep your old car and just leave it parked in the driveway, Adam is right… the manufacturing cost of the new car vastly outweighs the efficiency gains you can get from operating a new more efficient vehicle.

  21. Winter Wallaby Apr 20th 2017 at 11:31 am 21

    Christine #10:

    . . .people who do things like buy a hybrid car because it’s better for the planet, and then proceed to do enough extra driving to undo all the savings. . .

    Onion Headline:

    Scientists Continue Developing Alternative Energy Sources For Americans To Waste

  22. Winter Wallaby Apr 20th 2017 at 12:11 pm 22

    James #20: When you buy a new car and sell your used car, your sale of a used car is unlikely to incentivize someone to buy your used car (or some other used car down the line) instead of a new car. When you add your used car to the supply of used cars, the most likely effects on the pool of used car buyers is either that you displace some other used car from being sold (which is then junked), or that one more used car is sold. In either of those cases, Adam is correct, since the total number of cars that needs to be manufactured has gone up by one.

    If someone gives up their purchase of a new car to buy your old car, then Adam would be wrong, but most of the time that won’t happen.

  23. Meryl A Apr 26th 2017 at 02:00 am 23

    Mark M (9) - In a similar vein -

    We have to wash our cans and bottles for recycling - which wastes water. We also have to drive electronics to either a pickup event or the garbage dump to recycle it to protect the environment -wastes gas and puts more exhaust into the air.

    Recently there was a presentation by someone from the sanitation department of our township on the local news channel as to the 5 errors people make in the curbside recycling pickup.

    1 - They do not wash their cans and bottles - from what he shows and wants it is a complete washing to the condition that one could eat off it - I rinse mine.

    2 - They throw out cartons with the plastic packing materials in it. The packing materials should be removed and bagged and put out with the regular garbage - which will add another plastic bag to the garbage stream to hold the packing. Couldn’t it be removed at the sorting facility and tossed elsewhere? (I do actually remove it and bag it separately.)

    3 - People put dirty paper/cardboard items in for recycling. The fellow shows 2 empty pizza boxes - one has grease on the inside of the lid, the other does not. The one without grease is fine to recycle. The one with grease should be ripped into 2 pieces and the clean bottom recycled and the top - put in with the normal garbage.

    I forget what 4 and 5 were, but they were similar.

    They took our recycling box as it was held together with tape - why? - after dumping the box out they would leave it in the street (4 lanes main road) in front of our house. Lots of vehicles hit it. It was too damaged so they took it away. I complained. I was told that I had to go to the garbage dump to get a new one. I did - it was too large for our porch. Luckily Robert’s mom died and her house was sold. I took the large new box to her house and took her old smaller box - never used - home.

    After a few more years they took that box also as it was too damaged. Now I save cardboard boxes and put the cans and bottles in one of same and put it out next to the tied newspapers. They take it anyway.

    A year ago they changed our regular garbage pickup from what we had been told was perimeter pickup (anywhere it can be seen from the street it will be taken), but apparently was rear door (we have none) pickup to the normal - put your garbage out in the street. (Technically before they picked up household garbage at our house and we had to put rubbish out at the curb.) I am not going to put a plastic can I bought out for them to ruin every year or so. I leave the bags for them at the curb.

  24. James Pollock Apr 26th 2017 at 02:49 am 24

    “the most likely effects on the pool of used car buyers is either that you displace some other used car from being sold (which is then junked), or that one more used car is sold.”

    What happens is, you buy a 2017 model, and now your (let’s say, 2011) car is surplus to you, so you sell it (either as a trade-in or separately). That 2011 car is not good enough for you, but it looks GREAT to the guy in the 2002 model. When that 2002 model in turn becomes available, it looks good to the guy driving the 92 model. The car lot can’t find a buyer, so the 92 model gets dissassembled, with parts keeping other 92 models functional, and the remainder recycled as steel and aluminum and plastic pellets. There’s marginal gains in efficiency at every step of the cascade.

    Now, if you buy a new car and keep the old one in the driveway, where it rarely gets used, then there’s no offset to the manufacturing cost of the new car, and only your increase in efficiency goes into the calculation. In that case Adam is right. But most people won’t keep an “extra” car unless they are expecting another driver in the household (at least in my experience, YMMV).

    Here in Ecotopia, our service is a bit different. First off, we have “mixed” recycling… everything but glass goes in bin, glass goes in a separate bin. But… all of these are supplied by the garbage hauling company, because they need the special ones that the garbage truck can pick up and dump without having to have a person pick it up. That’s in the unincorporated suburbs. Inside the city limits, they have garbage pickup every two weeks, but recycling every week… and grocery stores can’t give you plastic bags. (On the other hand, wood products are a major component of the local economy.)

  25. Meryl A May 3rd 2017 at 01:00 am 25

    My sister lives out in Suffolk county. When reenacting first came in she had to put out newspapers every other week and cans and bottles (mixed) on the alternate weeks.

    After a few months they stopped picking up the cans and bottles - no one would pick it up almost every time it should be picked up. (This is municipal pickup.) She would call and tell them and the answer - just put them with your regular garbage - don’t worry about it. Great recycling program.

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