Wednesday Morning Oy

Cidu Bill on Mar 15th 2017

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28 Responses to “Wednesday Morning Oy”

  1. Olivier Mar 15th 2017 at 03:45 am 1

    Ides of March Morning Oy, rather.
    Caesar is about to discover that Brutus is a sore loser.

  2. Kilby Mar 15th 2017 at 06:04 am 2

    “Ey tu” - Perhaps Caesar survived the attack, and escaped to Canada?

  3. Mitch4 Mar 15th 2017 at 08:23 am 3

    If I had looked more carefully at their devices sooner, I wouldn’t have wasted time worrying that A2 as a chess move would be at least unlikely at most stages. But it must be something like Battleship?

  4. Arseetoo Mar 15th 2017 at 08:31 am 4

    Yup… “You Sunk My Battleship!!”

  5. furrykef Mar 15th 2017 at 09:10 am 5

    You mean, “Then fall, battleship!”

  6. James Pollock Mar 15th 2017 at 11:33 am 6

    The fault dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves. Specifically, our foolish choices in grouping naval forces.

  7. Grawlix Mar 15th 2017 at 12:20 pm 7

    And what exactly is an ide, anyway? :-P

  8. Bob Mar 15th 2017 at 12:41 pm 8

    An ide is about the same as a kudo.

  9. James Pollock Mar 15th 2017 at 12:52 pm 9

    “And what exactly is an ide, anyway?”

    A resident of Id. (The King is a Fink).

  10. Jeff Lichtman Mar 15th 2017 at 02:17 pm 10

    You sank my trireme!

  11. John Small Berries Mar 15th 2017 at 02:22 pm 11

    “A II”, surely?

  12. James Pollock Mar 15th 2017 at 02:48 pm 12

    You’re probably OK playing this game against Romans. But if you play against Byzantines, they’ll hit you with Greek fire and sink all your ships at once.

  13. Bob in Nashville Mar 15th 2017 at 06:10 pm 13

    Good groaner for the Ides of March. What I always wondered: If the Ides is the middle of the month then why is it on the 15th when the center day of a 31 day month is the 16th?

  14. furrykef Mar 15th 2017 at 07:38 pm 14

    Bob, half of 31 is 15.5, so neither the 15th or the 16th is closer. One is as good as the other; always rounding halves upward is a modern convention (albeit one that’s usually more useful than rounding them down, but here it doesn’t matter).

    It gets weirder, though: in months with fewer than 31 days, it’s on the 13th. That’s because those months were shorter back when Rome used a lunar calendar. They had religious reasons or something that kept them from adjusting the position of the ides within the month.

  15. Kamino Neko Mar 15th 2017 at 08:06 pm 15

    The Ides isn’t really ‘the middle’ of the month. It’s always 16 days before the Kalends (first day) of the following month. (Except in February, which is a weird case.)

  16. guero Mar 15th 2017 at 09:01 pm 16

    Thanks, Kamino Neko, that’s the first explanations of ides I’ve heard that makes sense.

  17. Bob in Nashville Mar 15th 2017 at 11:32 pm 17

    Thanks, Kamino. By the center day, I mean that in a 31 day month such as March, the 16th has 15 days before it, and 15 after of that month. Therefore it’s the middle day.

  18. Bob in Nashville Mar 15th 2017 at 11:35 pm 18

    And to think I went the whole day without grossing anyone out with my wisecrack about it being the anniversary of the invention of the Caesar salad.

  19. Grawlix Mar 16th 2017 at 01:41 am 19

    I checked before I made my wisecrack earlier, and it appears the Ides fall only roughly in the middle of each month (varying from month to month, determined by the full moon). There were also two other named segments of the month. Also apparently March was the Roman new year marker.

  20. Bob Mar 16th 2017 at 07:08 am 20

    “Also apparently March was the Roman new year marker.” Yes, which is why the prefixes for months 9-12 (i.e., Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec) are derived from the numbers 7-10.
    Anyway, the best thing about the Ides of March is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EBMo8xHGNs

  21. DemetriosX Mar 16th 2017 at 07:19 am 21

    Yeah, the Roman calendar system was weird, probably going back to a lunar system. Only three days of the month had names and they were all in the first half of the month. Every other day was named according to how long it was to the next kalends, nones or ides. It’s not like they didn’t know about other methods. The Greeks did it the same way we do, numbering the days within the month. The Romans even had a saying, “til the Greeks count time by the kalends,” which basically meant never. I don’t know when the Romans started using the system we do, but they must have or we would probably still use the kalends. Maybe after Constantine moved the capital to Greece and made the empire Christian.

  22. DemetriosX Mar 16th 2017 at 07:23 am 22

    And as for March as the first month of the new year, that lasted well into the 18th century, sort of. A lot of people continued to use March as the first month, even though the official calendar started in January. I bet Meryl can tell us a bit about that.

  23. Kilby Mar 16th 2017 at 09:16 am 23

    The “Lord of the Rings” plays on the ancient custom of starting the year on March 25th: this just “happens” to be the date of the destruction of the Ring, and is therefore proclaimed to be the beginning of the years in the Fourth Age. Tolkien was a stickler for old traditions.

    P.S. I just learned that the switch to January 1st was a French invention, announced by Charles IX in the “Edict of Roussillon”.

  24. Mark in Boston Mar 17th 2017 at 12:20 am 24

    Prior to 1752, in England and the colonies the new year began on March 25. Some other countries started the new year on January 1. So is February 11, 1732 before or after April 11, 1732?

    To clear up the ambiguity, from January 1 to March 25, the year would be written as 1731/2.
    December 30, 1731; December 31, 1731; January 1, 1731/2; January 2, 1731/2 … March 24, 1731/2, March 25, 1732.

    George Washington was born on the 11th day of February 1731/2. That’s what his parents wrote in the family Bible: https://livesandlegaciesblog.org/2017/01/25/a-time-to-be-born-a-time-to-plant-timing-labor-in-the-washington-family/

  25. DemetriosX Mar 17th 2017 at 07:14 am 25

    So the British shift to January 1 was a consequence of their adoption of the Gregorian calendar. That makes sense, but using March 25 is just weird. I can see March 1, I can see the vernal equinox, but the 25th is odd. There was an 11 day shift when they switched to the Gregorian calendar (Washington’s birthday moved from the 11th to the 22nd). The 25th is too close and in the wrong direction for it to have been the equinox. It would have been roughly 2 weeks later (at the time, it would have been a bit closer when the convention was adopted). We take them for granted, but calendrical systems are weird.

  26. Kilby Mar 17th 2017 at 08:25 am 26

    @ DemetriosX - Christmas (Dec. 25th) has exactly the same delay (following the winter solstice) as the “March new year” has following the vernal equinox.

  27. Meryl A Mar 22nd 2017 at 02:16 am 27

    On what the British called the Old Style Calendar (O.S.) Julian) calendar the year started on March 25 (Lady Day). So March 24 1700 was followed by March 25, 1701 for example.

    Since the change to the Gregorian calendar was made in 1582 it was done after the split of the Protestant churches from Roman Catholic. A major reason for a calendar was to be able to tell when the holy, feast, etc. days occurred so the adoption of the new calendar was a religious “thing”.

    The church of England (and therefore England) did not adopt the change until 1750. (Hence the use of 1700/1701 in my example.) While it sounds like the most confusing part would be to suddenly have a different new year to deal with - there were a number of “legal’ problems to deal with. When the change occurred there was a difference of 11 days between the 2 calendars which needed to be accounted for. Among them -

    If one had a contract which specified a date or dates which now had a different year - that had to be accounted for as did the additional 14 days.

    The majority of minors had to be adjusted for the change in dates and the 14 days. For those born before the change it became common to correct the original birthdate and refer to the date in effect when one was born as O.S. for old style. (N.S. if used would mean New style.) Geo Washington was born February 11 O.S. and February 12 N.S. Although there were, of course, those who preferred to keep their original date.

    When the change occurred in 1750 the date for common usage and the celebration of New Year’s Day was made. The March 25 date continued to be used for legal matters until 1752. (Perhaps to let more contracts come to an end before the change?)

    Anne (me) was born while the date was still under the old calendar. After all, in 1775 is it only 25 years since the dates changed.

  28. Meryl A Mar 22nd 2017 at 02:21 am 28

    Oh, and you do know that New Year’s Day (January 1) is the day of Christ’s bris (circumsion)?

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