Maybe he’s too sleepy to remember, but…

Cidu Bill on Mar 12th 2017

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There are way fewer items that need manual changing now than there used to be.

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39 Responses to “Maybe he’s too sleepy to remember, but…”

  1. Bob Mar 12th 2017 at 05:10 pm 1

    Granted, a long time ago, every clock and watch needed to be changed manually. However, the sheer number of articles that contain clocks has increased significantly. Additionally, the introduction of cheap digital watches led to many people owning multiple watches instead of the singular Timex that many people had. My guess is that while people now have automatically adjusting cell phones, TVs, DVRs, etc. they also have clock radios, coffee makers, wall clocks, etc. that need to be reset. Last night I reset a dozen timekeeping devices. My first year out of college, I reset four watches/clocks (though not married then).

  2. James Pollock Mar 12th 2017 at 05:29 pm 2

    Gots nothing to do with having to change anything except for his personal Circadian rhythm. Once per year, you lose an hour of sleep. Young whippersnappers can just wave that off, but Arlo’s feeling it.

  3. Cidu Bill Mar 12th 2017 at 05:40 pm 3

    Bob, the difference could be that YOU simply have more stuff now, being an adult and all. On the whole — and opposing viewpoints are of course welcome — I’d say that anything less than ten years old will change time automatically, and might be replacing something that DOESN’T change time automatically.

  4. Mona Mar 12th 2017 at 05:58 pm 4

    A twenty-something remarked “I don’t have any clocks to change. I have an iPhone!” I’m pretty sure she has a microwave, but she probably does not realize it has a clock in it that could be set to display the time.

  5. Arthur Mar 12th 2017 at 06:11 pm 5

    J.P. has it at 2. If it were resetting clocks, he’d have
    remarked on DST & twice per year.

  6. James Pollock Mar 12th 2017 at 06:18 pm 6

    “I’d say that anything less than ten years old will change time automatically,”

    Don’t forget that there’s a couple of decades’ worth of products that change time automatically, but do so on the wrong days, meaning they have to be reset FOUR times per year instead of two.

  7. Cidu Bill Mar 12th 2017 at 06:20 pm 7

    Good point, James (6) — although, thanks to the Gods of Obsolescence, they’re mostly on their way out as well.

  8. Cidu Bill Mar 12th 2017 at 06:20 pm 8

    Good point, James (6) — although, thanks to the Gods of Obsolescence, they’re mostly on their way out as well.

  9. Mona Mar 12th 2017 at 06:41 pm 9

    Two of our clocks that are supposed to set themselves sometimes do and sometimes don’t. This time they did not, so I did.

  10. Bob in Nashville Mar 12th 2017 at 06:48 pm 10

    The inconvenience isn’t in the resetting of clocks, it’s in the disruption of sleep schedules. I try to lose an hour of waking time instead of an hour of sleep, but it never works out like that, adding up to a sleep deficit over a lifetime. As for the devices, that point got me to wondering when the last time was I saw available for sale an alarm clock without a radio built in.

  11. larK Mar 12th 2017 at 06:53 pm 11

  12. Mona Mar 12th 2017 at 06:57 pm 12

    Bob, a little over a year ago I bought a digital clock, no radio. You can set two different alarms and it also has the temperature displayed. One of the reasons I bought it was because it has two USB ports so you can plug your phones, etc. in to charge. Except it turned out to be incompatible with our devices. Oh, well, it was not expensive and is a nice clock, so I kept it.

  13. Boise Ed Mar 12th 2017 at 07:18 pm 13

    What James [2] said. Arlo just got too little sleep, like I did.

    Mona [4]: Our old microwave won’t give me the time of day.

    Mona [12]: My radio/alarm clock is made for the iPhone; it resets the time only when I plug the phone into it. And as for yours, I would think that with a USB port it would charge ‘most anything, given the right cable.

  14. guero Mar 12th 2017 at 08:27 pm 14

    My wife bought her favorite nerd one of those “atomic” alarm clocks that set itself via satellite signal way back when they first came out (20 years ago?). When they expanded DST it stuck to the old system, and had to be manually reset for however many weeks it was out of sync, twice a year. (The only way you could set it was to put it in another time zone, since it would reset to the satellite signal automatically.) Assuming it uses something similar to the Linux timestamp, which includes a bit indicating whether DST is in effect, I thought it was rather dumb to hard code the DST dates into the software (ROM or whatever). And then it started working correctly again, at least sporadically, like Mona, and others have stated. My new theory, (which I am too lazy to get off my butt and actually investigate) is that the problem is in the satellite signal - i.e. there are old pre-DST expansion satellites that are still transmitting. They have probably been retired from actual service, but my old alarm clock doesn’t know that, so it may pick up a signal from an old satellite or a newer one depending on the lat.-long., time of year, tilt of the earth, phase of the moon, whatever. Feel free to shoot my theory down, as I’m sure certain of you will be more than happy to do.

  15. Ron Mar 12th 2017 at 08:46 pm 15

    Satellite signals are likely in GMT. The DST logic likely
    resides in the clock along with the time zone offsets.

    A clock or watch that sets itself from the WWV radio signal,
    which is the official U.S. time standard, will get DST right.
    WWV does send the DST/non-DST information.

  16. Mark in Boston Mar 12th 2017 at 08:56 pm 16

    A clock that sets itself from WWV wll get DST right when it picks up a signal from WWV, but Boston is a LONG way from Denver, Colorado, and it can be weeks before the clock sets itself right.

    Don’t forget to set your smart thermostats (one in each zone) that you were so proud of yourself for buying and installing. They know about the days of the week, but all weeks are alike to them, so they know nothing about DST.

  17. Cidu Bill Mar 12th 2017 at 09:45 pm 17

    And as we all know, WordPress NEVER corrects for DST.

    Used to take a few weeks, but now they don’t bother.

  18. Mona Mar 12th 2017 at 10:01 pm 18

    I don’t have anything to add, I just want to see what timestamp I will get. It is 7:00 pm at my house.

  19. James Pollock Mar 12th 2017 at 10:28 pm 19

    “Our old microwave won’t give me the time of day.”

    My microwave is so old that it doesn’t have digital anything. There’s a knob for “how long do I operate”, and a button for “starting now”.

  20. John Small Berries Mar 13th 2017 at 12:02 am 20

    My parents’ various devices are all so sophisticated that they don’t have to be changed in the spring and fall.

    They blink 12:00 all year long.

  21. Proginoskes Mar 13th 2017 at 03:27 am 21

    > There are way fewer items that need manual changing now than there used to be.

    Yes, but if you’re getting old, then you probably have more things that need to be changed manually.

    (BTW, I don’t have to worry about DST; I live in Arizona. That’s one of the few things that they got right.)

  22. James Pollock Mar 13th 2017 at 07:27 am 22

    “(BTW, I don’t have to worry about DST; I live in Arizona. That’s one of the few things that they got right.)”

    You just change which time zone you’re in, instead.

  23. Kilby Mar 13th 2017 at 07:29 am 23

    Our previous microwave was cheap “analog” model, which did everything we needed. Recently, after it finally expired, I discovered that finding another such simple device was not easy. The problem wasn’t just the digital controls (and incessant clocks), but that the idiot engineers had added a mini “grill” unit to virtually every model. It did make the selection process a lot shorter: there were only three non-digital, non-grill microwave available in the entire store.

    P.S. What’s wrong with a grill? Simple: it makes cleaning the chamber next to impossible.

  24. Tom T. Mar 13th 2017 at 11:21 am 24

    I think the strip is implying that he forgot to change the time on the coffee machine timer, so it wasn’t ready when he woke up. Janice had to make a pot manually.

  25. James Pollock Mar 13th 2017 at 11:50 am 25

    “I think the strip is implying that he forgot to change the time on the coffee machine timer,”

    Except that the coffee machine appears in the final panel, and it doesn’t have a time on it.

  26. guero Mar 13th 2017 at 12:09 pm 26

    Ron @15 - I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, but if the DST logic is based on an indicator, it should have always been correct. If the clock’s logic is based on the old DST definition, then it should never be correct again (unless they return to the old DST definition.). The fact that after 5 or so years of being totally wrong, it suddenly starts handling DST correctly probably 80% of the time implies that either it is receiving signals from different sources, or it has developed some kind of rudimentary self-correcting software ability that is still a little buggy.

  27. Ted from Ft. Laud Mar 13th 2017 at 01:10 pm 27

    Maybe we just don’t get fancy enough stuff, but a lot of our things (under 10 years old) don’t automatically handle DST: both cars, microwave and regular ovens in the kitchen, cheap electronic alarm clock in guest room, several wall hanging analog clocks, sprinkler pump timer, pool pump timer (though the pump itself has yet another timer that might set DST automatically - I need to check it), a non-smart TV (which claims to set the time and DST automatically, but apparently never gets whatever signal it’s looking for to do so), and even my wife’s cellphone (a flip-phone type, doesn’t handle DST internally, but will set the time including DST from info from the cell tower - but only updates time settings when you turn it on, so you have to manually power cycle it to get it to “automatically” update). Then there are a few things (a clock radio, a remote, something else that doesn’t immediately come to mind) that do automatically update for DST, but as mentioned above, have the wrong DST rules (and those sorts of things almost never can be updated with new rules). (The blood pressure cuff did get it right…) Yes, all(?) of the “smart” connected things (computers, smartphones, tablets, smart TV, set top boxes, etc.) managed it on their own, but that still leaves a fair amount of stuff…

    And as James said - none of that is the joke - it’s about Arlo losing a hour of sleep. (A joke about Arlo complaining about having to (re)set the time on lots of things would also fit him, but I’m sure JJ would make that more explicit by showing Arlo doing so while complaining,)

  28. Keera Mar 13th 2017 at 01:47 pm 28

    Oh, joy. I have to spend two weeks remembering my family in CA/NV are 8 hours behind, not 9, because Europe still sticks with last Sunday of March to switch over. Could we just not do this any more? Please? My circadian rhythm gets screwed both going forward and back (I’m with you, Arlo!). And what Bob said @ 1.

  29. Mona Mar 13th 2017 at 03:07 pm 29

    “My parents’ various devices are all so sophisticated that they don’t have to be changed in the spring and fall.
    They blink 12:00 all year long.”
    LOL JSB!

    This morning (not yesterday) my tablet had a little “thing” at the top I hadn’t seen before. I tapped it and it is apparently Google reminding me that “Daylight Saving Time begins, Turn clocks forward one hour”.
    Every morning for the last two weeks my phone has a reminder at the top (not something I set up, probably Google somehow) telling me that my electric bill in the amount of $XXXX is due in one day, March 1. Don’t know where it came from, don’t know how to get rid of it, and, yes, I paid the bill well before March 1.

  30. D McKeon Mar 13th 2017 at 03:39 pm 30

    Mona @29, if you use Gmail, it may have “helpfully” collected a bill pay reminder
    from an email message in the Gmail inbox - check for anything like that & mark it
    as read, or move it to a different folder, etc.

  31. Wendy Mar 13th 2017 at 03:47 pm 31

    We don’t have too many things to change, as about half of our clocks change automatically (though the one in my bedroom has the old DST rules, so I had to set it manually and I’ll have to change it back in a couple of weeks). But we have a clock that is supposed to get that radio signal that Ron mentioned, but it is NEVER right on the day of the change. Actually, that’s not true. It’s worse than that, because you get up in the morning and it’s wrong, and then at some point it sets it self correctly, but then it resets itself to some other time (maybe back to the old time, maybe to something else entirely) later in the day, and eventually some time in the next 24 hours it will finally figure out what time it really is. And on several occasions lately (past few weeks before the time change), the hour hand has been off by 4 or 5 hours ahead. Anyway, it’s annoying and odd. The minute hand is usually right, though sometimes that is off too, but I always double check against my watch or some other source to be sure of the hour. I suppose we should replace it, but I like the way it looks, and it works most of the time.

  32. James Pollock Mar 13th 2017 at 05:04 pm 32

    “But we have a clock that is supposed to get that radio signal that Ron mentioned, but it is NEVER right on the day of the change. Actually, that’s not true. It’s worse than that, because you get up in the morning and it’s wrong, and then at some point it sets it self correctly, but then it resets itself to some other time (maybe back to the old time, maybe to something else entirely) later in the day, and eventually some time in the next 24 hours it will finally figure out what time it really is. And on several occasions lately (past few weeks before the time change), the hour hand has been off by 4 or 5 hours ahead.”

    Look on the back and see if it says “Wordpress”.

  33. Christine Mar 13th 2017 at 05:31 pm 33

    This was the first year ever that I didn’t hate Spring Forward. With a three-month-old I don’t expect a full night’s sleep. I mean, I still hate the concept (I want that hour back. And no, you can’t say I get it back in the fall, because by the time the clocks change these days we’ve been waking up in full dark for a while, so I lose it then too.) But Bill, I must say, you’re the first person I’ve ever known of who considers having to change the clocks to be the main problem with DST, rather than the lack of sleep & the danger. Although this may be me showing the fact that I’m in my early thirties - back when you had to change more clocks (especially the VCR, I remember that being a pain to change the time on) maybe that was annoying enough to qualify? Especially since the knowledge of just how awful losing that hour of sleep is is a more recent thing.

    And I have 7 clocks to change, although one of those just involves pushing a button to tell it that it’s the time change. 3 of them are 8 years or less old, although I suppose that the analogue clock doesn’t count. Thankfully I had to take my cell phone out of the house with me the other day, and I’m too lazy to turn the ringer volume off, so it got power cycled, although I don’t know if it needed that.

  34. Mona Mar 13th 2017 at 06:34 pm 34

    Thanks, D, I’m sure that’s it. I do get email notices that “your bill is ready”. Aren’t I lucky that Google reads it for me (because it knows the amount) and reminds me? I looked in my email and that notice was deleted and the trash was empty. I’ll just have to blame IBB and WordPress.

  35. Cidu Bill Mar 13th 2017 at 06:37 pm 35

    Mona (29), wouldn’t it be even more troubling if Google knew whether or or not you’d paid the bill?

  36. Mona Mar 13th 2017 at 07:44 pm 36

    Bill, I’m sure Google does know but it likes to mess with me. Maybe I should put proof of payment in the microwave?

  37. Mark in Boston Mar 13th 2017 at 11:55 pm 37

    The WWV time signal has no parity bits or check digits, so occasionally you may find your “atomic” clock set to a completely screwy time and date.

  38. Meryl A Mar 14th 2017 at 02:54 am 38

    We have plenty of clocks which still need to be changed by hand. Generally we forget the clock in the front hall (it is made to go over and hide the doorbell mechanism). We changed the clock in the car. We have not changed the one in the van - when we use it hopefully we will remember. We think that the RV is still on DST from last year. The computers and cell phones (even my old one which does not have phone service or wifi service - I use it as PDA and for the games in it) changes on it’s own. We fixed the XP side in my Win 7 computer so it changes on the correct date (XP apparently came out before the change in when DST occurs). Our reenacting watches will be changed when we use them next.

    Our reenactment unit does a St Patrick’s parade. It is held, of course, on the 2nd Sunday in March - so it is always on the day the clocks go to DST. There are lots of reminders to the members. We are suppose to be there an hour before the parade to line up and there are always members who arrive as we step off because they forgot. This year was too cold for R and me to go - but the unit did have 6 people show up. (It is sort of an obligation to the town).

    Lastly, for many years I did not change to DST other than what was needed for appointments. Since I was on my own and did not have to go to work on anyone else’s schedule I could do this. Since husband is here all the time I can no longer due this. We would go to bed and I watch TV for an extra hour before going to sleep. In the morning I just woke up an hour later. It was much easier.

    The change back and forth is actually a problem. Medications are thrown off a bit by the loss of or addition of an hour. Since as Type 2 Diabetics we have to balance what we eat and medications the entire thing is thrown off for a few days. Lows or highs are the result.

  39. Winter Wallaby Mar 14th 2017 at 12:26 pm 39

    Christine #33: Congratulations!

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