Cidu Bill on Feb 25th 2016


Filed in Bill Bickel, CIDU, Doonesbury, G.B. Trudeau, comic strips, comics, humor | 45 responses so far

45 Responses to “Fantasy”

  1. Capt. Oblivious Feb 25th 2016 at 12:10 am 1

    She’s fantasizing about a future having children with him.

  2. James Pollock Feb 25th 2016 at 12:13 am 2

    The answer is in the second-to-last frame, as the kids they don’t have (yet?) make their appearance.

  3. Arthur Feb 25th 2016 at 01:14 am 3

    And in the last panel, she realizes that, with him as a husband,
    it really is too late to dream of the future.

  4. John Small Berries Feb 25th 2016 at 01:19 am 4

    Children aside, you can tell the penultimate panel is a fantasy because the newspaper has a 12-page comics section.

  5. James Pollock Feb 25th 2016 at 01:39 am 5

    What are you seeing that suggests a 12-page comics section? I see six.

  6. MinorAnnoyance Feb 25th 2016 at 02:21 am 6

    James Pollock: Each sheet is double-sided.

    Given that Kim’s maternal urges seemed to be satisfied by Alex, perhaps this is primarily a more general acknowledgement of the age gap between them and the very fact she’s young enough to look far forward.

    Interesting that Michael and Kim are presented as solid to the point of boredom, while ex-wife JJ is a jerk (albeit a comic one). Trudeau is still with his first wife and presumably happy; usually idyllic (or at least functional) May-December romances seem to be public defenses by creators who are in one (looking at you, Woody Allen). Likewise awful ex-wives are a favorite bugaboo of divorced men.

  7. James Pollock Feb 25th 2016 at 02:35 am 7

    “James Pollock: Each sheet is double-sided. ”

    3 pieces of paper, each double-sided, equals 6 pages.

    “Likewise awful ex-wives are a favorite bugaboo of divorced men.”
    But you don’t have to be one yourself… they’ll tell you all about their crazy ex-wives. And, of course, divorced women will tell anyone who will listen what a jerk their ex-husband used to be. After about a decade (sometimes longer if kids are are still a factor), the anger fades into a sort of absolute disinterest.

  8. Proginoskes Feb 25th 2016 at 02:57 am 8

    “The future isn’t what it used to be.” — Paul Valery (not Yogi Berra)

  9. Arthur Feb 25th 2016 at 03:10 am 9

    James, I think it’s been too long since you’ve read a physical
    newspaper. You neglected the vertical fold, which transforms one
    sheet of paper into two logical sheets. Thus, three sheets on
    the left and three sheets on the right, both double-sided, makes
    12 pages.

    You can see the logical division because the word “COMICS” is
    centered on page 1, with page 12 showing a few frames of comics.

  10. Andréa Feb 25th 2016 at 07:21 am 10

    I, OTOH, will tell anyone who will listen what a wonderful man my ex-husband was . . . we just weren’t meant to be married (to each other). No anger, just regret.

  11. Ian Osmond Feb 25th 2016 at 07:39 am 11

    Andrea — I’ve also known a couple people who consider their former marriages a success: they feel that each of their lives were enriched by the time they had together, but the situation changed in ways that made the relationship untenable. Not only not any anger, but also not much regret, since they feel that the whole thing, both the marriage and the divorce, were correct moves.

  12. mitch4 Feb 25th 2016 at 08:01 am 12

    Geez, you people are seeing a lot more than I am!

    I do see the 12 page comics section, and I see the two imaginary kids in the penultimate panel.

    But I don’t see Alex, or any indication matching the remark “Kim’s maternal urges seemed to be satisfied by Alex”. Or is that something you know from following the strip more regularly? From the look of it, from just this chapter, Kim is projecting these imaginary kids precisely because she has unsatisfied maternal instincts.

    Also I don’t see JJ, or whatever — in text or picture — prompts the remark “ex-wife JJ is a jerk (albeit a comic one)”. Or is that also from general knowledge of the strip’s history and current plot?

    Do those imaginary kids resemble some “actual” characters?

  13. Powers Feb 25th 2016 at 08:39 am 13

    MA said that “Kim’s maternal urges seemed to be satisfied by Alex” because this is really the first time Kim has given any indication of wanting kids. She’s close enough in age to Alex, though, that at times they seemed more like sisters than stepmom-stepdaughter. (Kim, being the last refugee baby out of Saigon at the end of the Vietnam War, is about 42 now; she was an infant at her first appearance in 1975.)

    JJ /is/ a bit of a jerk, focused on her art to the exclusion of most everything else. The current reruns in the daily syndication run are showing her to be a bit vapid and self-centered but not yet really a jerk.

    So, yes, I suppose MA’s comment presupposes some background knowledge of the characters. It’s a continuity strip; what would you expect?

  14. Powers Feb 25th 2016 at 08:39 am 14

    Oh, and the imaginary kids resemble Mike and Kim, to the extent such is possible in a cartoon medium.

  15. Mitch4 Feb 25th 2016 at 09:07 am 15

    Thanks Powers.

    My comments weren’t really meant as complaints, sorry if it looked that way! Of course CIDUers should bring in their background knowledge of what’s going on in a strip. I genuinely wondered how much was that and how much was me not being observant eniugh with this drawing.

  16. James Pollock Feb 25th 2016 at 11:35 am 16

    “James, I think it’s been too long since you’ve read a physical
    newspaper. You neglected the vertical fold, which transforms one
    sheet of paper into two logical sheets. Thus, three sheets on
    the left and three sheets on the right, both double-sided, makes
    12 pages.”

    I don’t understand this comment at all.

    There’s one page in Mike’s left hand, and there are two pages in Mike’s right hand, which makes 3 pages. Each one has comics on both sides. Six pages of comics.

    It HAS been a while since I regularly received a physical newspaper, but… why would that make me unable to count?

  17. heather Feb 25th 2016 at 11:41 am 17

    ? There are clearly 3 pages in each hand. Are you seeing the lines at the top as some sort of page decoration rather than separate pages?

  18. Judge Mental Feb 25th 2016 at 12:03 pm 18

    Count me in the camp that there is clearly 3 sheets of comic in each hand (for a front and back total of 12). Not sure how one could resolve it otherwise, but I know from past situations here that objects that seem crystal clear to me can be seen differently by others.

  19. Jean-Luc Feb 25th 2016 at 12:25 pm 19


  20. Scott Feb 25th 2016 at 12:25 pm 20

    I’m looking on a big screen, and I see 12 pages also.
    BTW, notice that the Comics only show up during the fantasy panel, where the kids are reading the comics with their father. The rest of them have Mike reading the regular paper. We haven’t been in Kim’s head much, but I read this as she having a longer future than Mike, and frustrated about not having kids of her own.

  21. Winter Wallaby Feb 25th 2016 at 12:34 pm 21

    I see four lights. Four lights!

    Wait, sorry, different story. I see twelve pages. Twelve pages!

  22. zbicyclist Feb 25th 2016 at 12:42 pm 22

    12 pages.

  23. Bob Feb 25th 2016 at 12:43 pm 23

    WW@20 - LOL.

  24. feuerstein Feb 25th 2016 at 01:14 pm 24

    When the two in the comic first started their relationship, it was a bit of a scandal because he’s something like twice as old as her. This one is underlining the age difference and the ideals that the different age groups have.

  25. James Pollock Feb 25th 2016 at 02:25 pm 25

    Are you counting pages in frame 9, or in the other frames? There are only 3 pages in frame 9.

  26. Arthur Feb 25th 2016 at 03:00 pm 26

    “There are only 3 pages in frame 9.”
    We must count differently. I see 8 frames.

  27. Kamino Neko Feb 25th 2016 at 03:22 pm 27

    There are 3 physical sheets of paper in Mike’s hand.

    Each one is folded in half, and printed on both sides - making each sheet of paper 4 pages.

    He is holding 12 pages of comics.

  28. s.z. Feb 25th 2016 at 03:29 pm 28

    And speaking of ex-wives and such in comics, I have to admit that I was concerned about Staci from PEARLS BEFORE SWINE until I learned that the real Stephen was not having the same marriage problems as the cartoon one.

  29. Kevin A Feb 25th 2016 at 06:59 pm 29

    In case the word “page” is confusing to anybody, “page” is derived from a prefix that sort of means “fit”, as in structuring or arranging things to fit. So, it’s not synonymous with a leaf or sheet of paper, each of which can have more than 1 page printed on them.

    I love John Small Berries comment. The 3 sheet newspaper that is clear in panels 1, 3, 4, & 7 has been a Trudeau trademark since the 1970s but I’ve long since forgotten that in the decade(s) since I’ve read Doonesbury. Even without that, JSB made something out of a secondary detail that a brain can feel justified in ignoring. Humor that presents something that’s both “oh yeah, true that” and still arguably false is the mind-bending experience that is my absolute favorite kind.

  30. James Pollock Feb 25th 2016 at 07:26 pm 30

    “We must count differently. I see 8 frames.”

    That would be the joke, yes.

  31. Cidu Bill Feb 25th 2016 at 10:40 pm 31

    Winter (20), I ‘d have been seriously disappointed if nobody had said that.

  32. Tom Feb 25th 2016 at 11:16 pm 32

    You know, I thought I was having trouble counting in the 10101 thread, now I am not sure how many fingers I have. I see 6 sheets which makes 12 pages of comics, 8 panels and four lights.

  33. JerrytheMacGuy Feb 25th 2016 at 11:21 pm 33

    I have worked in the printing industry for over 40 years. We call 2 panels of content (the left and the right side, separated by the fold), “spreads”. Mike is holding three 2-sided printed spreads. Once collated into a (comics) section, the three folded spreads become twelve pages of printed content.

  34. James Pollock Feb 26th 2016 at 12:29 am 34

    In the first panel, Mike has three pages in each hand.

    It is impossible to count the pages in panel two

    In the third panel, Mike again has three pages in each hand.

    In panel four, there are only 2 pages in each hand.

    In panel five, there are no lights, er, pages.

    In panel six, there are only two pages.

    In panel seven, there are three pages, two in Mike’s right hand, and one in the left.

    In panel eight, there are again three pages, but now two in Mike’s left hand, and one in the right.

    Panel 7 is the only one with comics. So, three pages, six sides, final answer.

  35. Boise Ed Feb 26th 2016 at 02:15 am 35

    Each sheet of newsprint, being folded in the middle, has four pages. There are three sheets. That’s 12 newspaper pages. To count otherwise one must be three sheets to the wind.

  36. James Pollock Feb 26th 2016 at 03:16 am 36

    “Each sheet of newsprint, being folded in the middle, has four pages.”
    Um, no.
    Because there are six-page sections, ten-page sections, etc. These are formed by putting a single sheet in the middle of the doubled-and-folded pages.

    There’s one big piece of paper, which has the front and back of the section, plus the inside of each page, plus the two on either side of the other piece of paper. There’s just no way that adds up to 12.

    There’s the one big sheet that has pages 1, 2, 5, and 6, and another sheet of paper, half the size, which has pages 3 and 4.

  37. Kilby Feb 26th 2016 at 03:46 am 37

    Please James, is there never going to be an issue where you will finally admit that someone else might be right?

  38. Olivier Feb 26th 2016 at 04:14 am 38

    How many plates and mugs ?

  39. feuerstein Feb 26th 2016 at 04:50 am 39

    Heh, K calling J black. Cute.

  40. Kilby Feb 26th 2016 at 06:14 am 40

    @ feuerstein (38) - Guilty as charged.

  41. Mitch4 Feb 26th 2016 at 08:11 am 41

    I see those pages as blue with gold highlights.

  42. Powers Feb 26th 2016 at 08:42 am 42

    James is just wrong. I can clearly see page 1 and page 12, and the tops of pages 3, 5, 8, and 10. Pages 6 and 7 are facing Mike.

  43. Todd Feb 26th 2016 at 05:34 pm 43

    I can see at least two pages of paper in each hand in the “comics” panel. It could be three, but I can’t make out that much detail, especially in his left hand. There is certainly no way I can see to view it as a single page in either hand.

    So if Doonesbury is Trudeau, does this mean he’s been cheating on his wife with a woman half his age, and the way he sees whatshername is how he really sees his current wife, or just the way he wants his mistress to believe he sees his current wife?

    And is Pastis writing the fictional split in his marriage because he’s telling women he meets on the road that his marriage is breaking up and he’s available.

  44. Treesong Feb 26th 2016 at 10:05 pm 44

    I can see how JP might have missed the fact that six page-tops are clearly visible in panel 4, I mean 7, but not how he can remain blind to the fact when everyone else has pointed it out. My unamused conclusion: trolling, most notably in #24. For shame.

  45. Arthur Feb 26th 2016 at 11:11 pm 45

    “trolling, most notably in #24. For shame.”

    He said that one was an attempt at humor, though it was too
    subtle for me.

Comments RSS

Leave a Reply