Speaking of…

Cidu Bill on Jan 18th 2016



Somehow reminded me of this.

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28 Responses to “Speaking of…”

  1. Mitch4 Jan 18th 2016 at 08:40 am 1

    It’s never been entirely clear (to me anyway) how much Walden is meant to stand in for Yale. The recent protest at Yale about naming concerned not Elihu Yale himself, but John C. Calhoun of South Carolina, for whom Calhoun College at Yale is named.

    However, the specifics in this strip do seem to have more in common with the story that Bill has linked

  2. James Pollock Jan 18th 2016 at 09:20 am 2

    Walden College is fictional, and therefore, has whatever qualities Trudeau needs it to have. Sometimes it’s Yale, and sometimes it’s not.

    Trudeau has a case of “what am I to do, as a beneficiary of something good done by someone who also did a bunch of bad things.”

    If you assume that people must be either all-hero or all-villain (as most partisans do), but are confronted with a person who clearly is not, you generate cognitive dissonance. That’s what Trudeau is tapping into here.

  3. Dr. Shrinker Jan 18th 2016 at 12:03 pm 3

    Hey, Bill, they’re “playfully wrestling” - not a problem!

  4. Mona Jan 18th 2016 at 12:18 pm 4

    Gee, you’re all commenting on things of great political import, while “He’s just hazing a fraternity pledge!” made me think of “Animal House”. I’m still fuzzy, need morning tea!

  5. Mona Jan 18th 2016 at 12:26 pm 5

    I didn’t even get my comment right. Make that great social and political import.

  6. Cidu Bill Jan 18th 2016 at 03:38 pm 6

    James, one of the best modern examples of what you’re talking about would be Jimmy Carter: in many ways a candidate for sainthood… but then there’s his anti-Semitism (which, for those who don’t want to believe it, is right there in his own White House Diaries). So while it’s easy to paint an anti-Semite or a racist or a misogynist as a villain, what happens when that’s not all he is.

  7. Boise Ed Jan 18th 2016 at 03:46 pm 7

    Mona, we don’t need to import our social and political. We have enough of our own.

  8. Lord Jubjub Jan 18th 2016 at 05:16 pm 8

    The Rhodes scholars want their benefactor removed, also.

  9. Proginoskes Jan 18th 2016 at 06:33 pm 9

    Just to burst a few more bubbles …

    Abraham Lincoln originally wanted to deport all the slaves back to Africa. He did not believe that Whites and Blacks could live together.

    Mahatma Gandhi (Yes, THAT Gandhi) lived in South Africa for a while and spouted some racist comments. Also, when his wife was dying a slow death, he refused to give her any painkillers. (He said it was to help HIS soul. However, when Gandhi was close to death, he took painkillers.)

    Mother Theresa did not offer any painkillers to the people who were dying in India, either. And she was Catholic, so she refused to give out birth control, even though she could see the effects of overpopulation at her doorstep. And it wasn’t like she couldn’t afford it; she received a few million dollars as a donation from Charles Keating, who swindled some money from a S&L in the 1980s.

    JFK had Nixon’s headquarters bugged during the 1960 elections.

    And so it goes.

  10. woozy Jan 18th 2016 at 06:35 pm 10

    @6 … um, I don’t think criticism of Israel counts as anti-semitism.

    Cecil Rhodes on the other hand…. sheesh.

  11. JerrytheMacGuy Jan 18th 2016 at 09:21 pm 11

    This all reminds me of the episode of “The Simpsons” when Lisa discovers that the legend of Springfield’s revered founder is not true and that Jebediah Springfield was not a pioneer but, in fact, a bloody pirate.


    I’m sure similar legends of many famous colonists and pioneers are embellishments of the truth, or are completely bogus.

  12. Cidu Bill Jan 18th 2016 at 09:32 pm 12

    To which I must respond, Woozy… read his book. All the people who say that Carter’s criticism of Israel doesn’t mean he’s anti-Semitic have not read his book. I felt the same way until… I read his book.

  13. Joshua K. Jan 18th 2016 at 11:00 pm 13

    While certain aspects of Walden College were inspired by Yale, I think it’s fair to point out that Walden, over the years, suffered a big drop in its admission standards (”Well, currently we don’t accept anyone with a criminal record”) and things never got as bad as that at Yale.

    Also, there does exist a Yale in the Doonesbury universe, separate from Walden. Mike once visited a strip club in San Francisco and asked the bartender, “Say, are those girls dancing up there really co-eds? … Your sign outside! It said ‘Beautiful, exciting co-eds.’” The bartender responded, “Oh … yeah! Sure! They’re co-eds! … Tiger-Lips, the one with the legs, she’s matriculating at Yale this fall.”

  14. Usual John Jan 19th 2016 at 01:21 am 14

    Trudeau may also be influenced by the recent controversy at Harvard Law school, the founding of which was funded by a slave owner, see http://www.wsj.com/articles/harvard-law-students-urge-removal-of-slaveholder-reference-from-school-seal-1446596231. Students want to get rid of the law school seal, which was copied from the slave owner’s family seal. However, the seal itself, which shows three sheaves of wheat, is quite innocuous.

  15. Meryl A Jan 19th 2016 at 02:14 am 15

    No one is perfect.

  16. collingswood Jan 19th 2016 at 05:45 pm 16

    Trudeau’s several times great grand father, James Trudeau, was a Confederate general during the Civil War. James grew up on the family plantation in Louisiana, where, I assume, they were slave owners. Oddly enough, he was a friend of Audubon, the bird painter. When James went bird hunting and shot a variety of tern he did not recognize, he sent the bird to Audubon who knew it was indeed a new sub-species and named it in his friend’s honor as the “Trudeau Tern”.

  17. Dave in Boston Jan 19th 2016 at 07:42 pm 17

    A sheaf? That’s an obvious cryptofascist reference!

  18. Mark in Boston Jan 19th 2016 at 08:33 pm 18

    The latest from Harvard is that fraternities are going to change the title of “Housemaster” to something else, because “master” has something to do with slavery.

    No word on what they are going to rename the Master’s degree in Business Administration.

  19. Mona Jan 19th 2016 at 10:26 pm 19

    “No word on what they are going to rename the Master’s degree in Business Administration.”
    Thesaurus.com gives synonyms of (among others) “adept” and “crackerjack”.
    I vote for a Crackerjack Degree.
    Same source gives synonym for “Master” noun (among others) as “head”.
    So “Housemaster” could become “House Head”, so the “kids” could giggle about it.

  20. Proginoskes Jan 20th 2016 at 01:25 am 20

    How about we replace “Master” with “Too-Dumb-For-A-Doctorate”?

  21. James Pollock Jan 20th 2016 at 08:45 am 21

    “How about we replace “Master” with “Too-Dumb-For-A-Doctorate”?”

    I have an MS in one field and a doctorate in another. Just bragging. But it does poke a hole in this proposed naming scheme.

  22. mitch4 Jan 20th 2016 at 01:41 pm 22

    When James went bird hunting and shot a variety of tern he did not recognize, he sent the bird to Audubon who knew it was indeed a new sub-species and named it in his friend’s honor as the “Trudeau Tern”.

    Hence the saying “Leave no tern unstoned.”

  23. Mark in Boston Jan 20th 2016 at 09:41 pm 23

    Well, you know the old joke.

    The first degree you get is a B.S. and you know what that means.

    Then after a couple more years you get an M.S. which means More of the Same.

    Finally after many more years you get your Ph. D. which means Piled Higher and Deeper.

  24. mitch4 Jan 20th 2016 at 10:11 pm 24

    MiB, did you mean to be reminding the crowd about Piled Higher and Deeper Comics?

  25. Boise Ed Jan 21st 2016 at 12:57 am 25

    Oh, no, Mitch! Now I’ve had to add another comic to my morning AppleScript!

  26. Mark in Boston Jan 21st 2016 at 09:54 pm 26

    Never heard of “Piled Higher and Deeper” comics, but the joke goes back to the 1950’s at least, so the name of the comic is a tribute.

  27. mitch4 Jan 22nd 2016 at 12:44 am 27

    Sure, I too was familiar with that joke well before the comic existed. I never heard the M.S. part as “more of the Same” but simply “more $#*t”. It has a good cadence – bull $#*t, more $#*t, piled higher and deeper.

  28. Boise Ed Jan 22nd 2016 at 01:32 am 28

    mitch4, if there were a “Like” button here, I’d click it.

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