Cidu Bill on Feb 24th 2014


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54 Responses to “Coffee”

  1. Arthur Feb 24th 2014 at 12:42 am 1

    Just another case of coffee addicts supporting each other.

  2. Kilby Feb 24th 2014 at 01:18 am 2

    I might have enjoyed this panel more if I wasn’t reading “Dark Side of the Horse“, which seems to run at least one or two two coffee jokes every week. It’s starting to remind me of Garfield’s lasagna problem. I get tired of watching an addict’s attempt at self-therapy in picture form.

  3. Mona Feb 24th 2014 at 01:32 am 3

    I have heard the expression “I’d kill for a good cup of coffee”, or “What I wouldn’t do for a good cup of coffee”.

  4. billybob Feb 24th 2014 at 07:37 am 4

    it looks like the author had in mind a slogan (like “I’d walk a mile for a camel”) and is trusting his readers to recognize the reference to it.

  5. Ooten Aboot Feb 24th 2014 at 07:38 am 5

    Stand your grounds!

  6. Kilby Feb 24th 2014 at 07:52 am 6

    @ Ooten Aboot (5) - That’s superb, far better than the joke in the cartoon.

  7. Molly J Feb 24th 2014 at 10:27 am 7

    What would he do for a Klondike Bar?

  8. Boise Ed Feb 24th 2014 at 02:31 pm 8

    Grocery-shopping the other day, my wife and I turned a corner and found ourselves walking through the coffee aisle. My instinctive reaction was screwing up my face and uttering “Ewww” at the odor. Hers was to somehow enjoy the reek. (She would undoubtedly tell this differently.)

  9. Detcord Feb 24th 2014 at 03:20 pm 9

    Boise Ed (8)

    I grew up with the smell of coffee. Even now, it smells like home. I also grew up with 2 coffee addicts (my parents). Watching them desperately trying to quit - and failing - convinced me that was a monkey on my back I did not need. I still like the smell of coffee, so a trip up your supermarket’s aisle would be nostalgic, but it would also end there.

  10. BeckoningChasm Feb 24th 2014 at 06:25 pm 10

    I’m wondering what the crime was.

  11. Melqart Feb 24th 2014 at 10:31 pm 11

    Isn’t the joke that it’s in English? Coffee doesn’t exist in any English-speaking country I’ve been to (other than homeopathic).

  12. Mark in Boston Feb 24th 2014 at 11:36 pm 12

    We don’t need coffee jokes in every strip; we already have Too Much Coffee Man.

  13. The Bad Seed Feb 25th 2014 at 09:44 am 13

    But is Too Much Coffee Man ever about coffee anymore, except for his outfit (and the one other guy)?

  14. The Bad Seed Feb 25th 2014 at 09:57 am 14

    (Espresso Guy)… I had to go look… ;)

  15. Mark in Boston Feb 25th 2014 at 11:53 pm 15

    “I’d walk a mile for a camel” … how many of you think of cigarettes, and how many think of George Carlin?

  16. Meryl A Feb 26th 2014 at 01:17 am 16

    Boise Ed (8) - to me coffee smells good, it just never tastes like it smells. In high school, college, and at my first job out of college I was a black coffee drinker (fat and trying to lose weight). I worked in a small accounting office out of college. Every morning at 10:30 everything would stop for coffee in the little Mr. Coffee maker (made by the secretary of one of the accountants and for a while by my assistant, but he did not last long on the job).

    Now I will be in Costco and since I am limited in what I eat and what I should eat, I don’t try a lot of the free samples. I have tried the assorted “fancy name coffees. I spit every one of them out mid first sip as they are much too acidy (which is why I can’t drink coffee any more).

    As a result of this I have become one of those annoying people dipping a tea bag. (Although at a 2 day reenactment last November I did make tea from loose tea for the group to stay warm - or as we called it “meadow tea” since during our period one did not drink real tea.

    Meryl A

  17. Boise Ed Feb 26th 2014 at 07:16 pm 17

    Meryl [16], I don’t get “one of those annoying people dipping a tea bag.” Who does that annoy?

    Also, “during our period one did not drink real tea.” At first I read that as saying that one of your group was not a tea-drinker. On second look, though, it seems that you meant that during some period of time, people were not allowed to drink real tea. Is this a religious thing? Enquiring minds want to know.

  18. Mona Feb 26th 2014 at 07:45 pm 18

    I’m still trying to figure out what Melqart means by “Coffee doesn’t exist in any English-speaking country I’ve been to (other than homeopathic).” All I can come up with is that Melqart has never been to USA.

  19. Mona Feb 26th 2014 at 07:50 pm 19

    Mark In Boston: I Googled “George Carlin I’d walk a mile for a camel” and the fourth one down was a link to your remark. Re-mark-able!

  20. Dave in Boston Feb 26th 2014 at 08:51 pm 20

    dipping tea bags annoys tea snobs :-)

  21. Kilby Feb 27th 2014 at 05:23 am 21

    @ Mona (18) - Melqart’s comment (@11) is a reference to the widely-held European belief that Britons and American’s brew their coffee using homeopathic (aka. non-existent) amounts of roasted coffee. This goes both ways, I know some Americans who have complained that German coffee was far too strong.

    P.S. These differing viewpoints on the strength of coffee were satirized in several scenes of the comedy “Bagdad Cafe” (also known as “Out of Rosenheim”).

  22. Kilby Feb 27th 2014 at 05:25 am 22

    P.P.S. Sorry about the errant apostrophe @21.

  23. Mona Feb 27th 2014 at 12:09 pm 23

    Thanks Kilby.

  24. Elyrest Feb 27th 2014 at 12:38 pm 24

    Kilby, thanks for the coffee explanation as I didn’t understand the comment either. The strength of the coffee you are served depends on where you buying it. Many places do have weak coffee, but since Starbucks and the rampant growth of coffee houses and order confusion, you can generally find nice strong coffee almost anywhere in the US now.

  25. Mark in Boston Feb 27th 2014 at 11:45 pm 25

    Mona, I tried Googling the same thing and did not get a link to my remark but I did get a link to “Images for George Carlin I’d walk a mile for a camel”. I don’t think I’ll click that link.

  26. Mona Feb 28th 2014 at 12:11 am 26

    Mark in Boston: I just tried it again, same result. 2 results below that is “Images for George Carlin I’d walk a mile for a camel”, and the 5th image is the coffee comic linking again to this CIDU thread.
    I use “old” Google, not Chrome, maybe that’s the difference.

  27. Meryl A Feb 28th 2014 at 01:06 am 27

    Boise Ed (17) & Dave in Boston (20) -

    Once when I was getting a cup of tea (and not doing the following) a friend said, joking around, “Oh you are one of those who stand in front of the milk and sugar dipping your tea bag and tying up the line.” I had presumed that coffee drinkers think of tea drinkers as “annoying people dipping tea bags”. I myself always walk away after adding the water. About a year later the friend who made the comment was at another event and was drinking coffee, so I made the comment back to him and we laughed.

  28. Meryl A Feb 28th 2014 at 01:27 am 28

    Boise Ed (17) -

    From your name I presume you live in the US.

    I have mentioned before (and again) that I am a 1770’s reenactor. England had put an assortment of taxes on the citizens of the colonies including the one we have all heard much of, a tax on tea. The colonists had no representation in British Parliament, but all manner of goods were purchased by the colonists from England. Those of the gentry and large businesses and a good party of the middling sort would buy through London and Edinburgh agents directly, as well as from local stores which had imported, as did the remaining populace. Britain very tightly controlled what could be produced in the colonies, treating the colonies as a source of raw material and a market, as well keeping coinage in the colonies down (hence the use of Spanish and other countries coins as coins were “worth their weight” in the metal they were made of. When the colonists stopped importing items their agents had a loss of income and their agents would petition their representatives in Parliament to remove the taxes.

    You may remember that all the taxes except the one on tea were removed. Tea was commonly available here, without tax, due to it being brought in illegally by merchants (including John Hancock) and sold at a cheaper price. The famed Boston Tea Party was the result of the British REMOVING THE TAX on the tea of the East India co. This actually made the tea cheaper than the illegal tea. The British government had the East India co send ships of tea WITHOUT TAX and ordered that they be unloaded. In colonies such as Virginia the ships were turned around by colonist ships before they came into ports, in NY they were welcomed. In Boston, the ship landed and was not allowed to leave without unloading the tea. The citizens of Boston would not allow them to unload the tea. This resulted in the Boston Tea Party (led among others by John Hancock), which was considered an illegal and despicable act even by other colonists in Boston. (Not a great rebellion.) As a result the port of Boston was closed.

    The colonies decided to get together to discuss this and that resulted in the First Continental Congress. Before leaving same the gentlemen signed a document called The Association. The Association was an agreement not to import an assortment of items from Britain (mostly leaning toward luxury goods) including tea and for colonists to cut back on parties, dances, and other celebrations. Even funerals were to be cut back - the giving of gloves was no longer allowed.

    So, tea could not be drunk in the period starting with the Association. It was not a law, but to do so would result in being ostracized and would be written in the local paper to embarrass you and say that you are not a friend of Liberty.

    Meadow tea was garden tea - flowers, plants, grass, etc. made instead of tea.

    At one event we were portraying Loyalists (to Britain) in the morning and could drink tea, in the afternoon the rebels had taken the fort and we could not.

  29. Cidu Bill Feb 28th 2014 at 01:41 am 29

    Meryl, this reminds me of the trip we took to Boston in the mid-90s when my son was 7. We went to the Tea Party re-enactment, and of course the impression they gave was that England was using the tax to overcharge the colonists. So he wanted to know how much more the British tea actually cost.

    And of course nobody could tell him.

    This was effectively pre-Internet — or pre-search engines, anyway — so it wasn’t until we got home that we learned that the Tea Party information we’re taught in school is false, and that in fact the British tea was cheaper.

  30. Mona Feb 28th 2014 at 01:09 pm 30

    Meryl, That is interesting. When I was in school we were taught the rebellious “taxation without representation” version.
    Tangentally, here in Washington they have made recreational marijuana legal, and now are considering whether medicinal marijuana must be taxed the same as recreational, which is unfair to those that really need it medically.
    I hear reports from Colorado that, not only must they ration the recreational M because demand exceeds supply, but the taxes are so high that the price is ridiculous compared to illegal M.
    Our state also has one of the highest taxes in the country on liquor and gas.

  31. Mona Feb 28th 2014 at 02:16 pm 31

    It is interesting what one’s mind will do on it’s own.
    I was on CIDU this morning, following several threads, including this one (coffee, tea, taxes, marijuana) and Upstate (state nicknames). Then I took a shower (yes, I know, TMI) where I began to involuntarily sing “Okie from Muskogee” (yes, Geezer alert!). I’m going to have to listen to the song, perhaps on YouTube, or it will be in my head all day.
    Everybody sing….We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee……

  32. Boise Ed Feb 28th 2014 at 06:08 pm 32

    Meryl [28], that’s fascinating. I had never heard that account of the Boston Tea Party.

  33. Meryl A Mar 1st 2014 at 01:38 am 33

    Cidu Bill -

    The tax was “thrupence” or 3 pennies. I am not sure what quantity of tea this was for, but it was, apparently the common amount purchased. The tea with the tax was cheaper than the illegal tea. BTW they did not actually throw the crates of tea overboard, they were too heavy. They forced them open and then threw the tea into the harbor.

    Robert & I have been to the museum. Robert suffers badly from motion sickness. While in the museum (not the boat, but the museum itself) he felt unwell and told me that it was floating. It was. You may have seen a newer version of the museum. It was redone at some point, I am not sure of the date.

  34. Meryl A Mar 1st 2014 at 02:08 am 34

    Mona (30) -

    The (English) colonists had come here with all the rights of Englishmen. This included the right to govern and tax themselves.

    At various points in the past Britain had needed funds, contacted the various colonies, and the colonies themselves raised the tax money needed by Britain and sent it. The objection here was not that Britain was asking for tax money, but rather the manner in which it was asked for, i.e. the imposing of a tax by Britain on the citizens directly, hence it was taxation without representation. They had to therefore get their agents and the Merchants in Britain who were losing out on their lost income from the colonists to use their representation to correct the matter. Colonists paid less taxes than those in Britain. Had representation been offered to the colonies in the British Parliament it would not have helped much as whoever was elected from the colonies would have to take up residence in Britain to serve and as such would become removed from the colonies.

    We have some younger members who are old enough to understand the discussions we have at meetings and events (meaning the teenagers, not the tots) and we always tell them that in school they should answer as the teacher has taught them. My niece had a Social Studies teacher who tried to get them to stump him and we would always give her stuff to use, but we would always leave out part so that she had to work to get a chance to take on her teacher.

    Though I live in NYS I tend to know more about things in VA as we go to Colonial Williamsburg frequently. The normal tax system in VA was called tithing, but is not the same as church tithing. The legislature would estimate what the expenses would be for the year for the colony. This would be divided by the number of tithables. Every white man 16 & over and black man and woman (free or slave) 16 or over was a thithable. It was assume white women did not work (although the lower the class the more likely women were to work) so they were not tithables. Paper money equal to the anticipated taxes would be made up. Since people knew at the end of the year they could pay their taxes to the colony with the paper money, it was acceptable within the colony for trade. At the end of the year taxes would be paid and the money destroyed and it would all start over.

    Paper money was not used colony to colony (we give the kids who do “musket” drills reprint NY money and when asked if they can spend it, my reply is “not in New Jersey” )and if one only had paper money from one’s colony while traveling one would have to find a way to exchange it for that of the colony one was in (often through a merchant who did business in the other colony). There was much concern about counterfeiting. North Carolina money was notorious for being counterfeit. To keep us trading with Britain on “the books” of the British companies little coinage was sent here. Coins in the period had value based on the amount of and type of metal they were made of. Therefore coins of other countries were used, Spanish dollars being common. Coins were weighed when used to make sure there was full weight of coin and they would be physically cut for change - into 8 bits (pieces of 8). Since a bit was an eighth of the coin “two bits” were a quarter of the coin. ( Geezer thing?)

    Being an accountant I have more interest in the financial end than others do. A friend who volunteers at a house that belonged to one of the Culper Spyring (Townsend) was going through stuff stored away and came across record books, which he sent me scans of to help him figure out what things meant - other than the computer, the bookkeeping has not changed much.

    Hope I have not gone on too long about this. I write as I speak and I always tell acquaintances that I am never insulted by a “shut up Meryl”.

  35. Meryl A Mar 1st 2014 at 02:21 am 35

    Boise Ed (32) -

    The history of the period was changed by the romanticism of the Victorian age (Paul Revere was captured quickly, William Dawes did most of the warning of the British coming to Lexington & Concord after Sam Adams and John Hancock) and further by a style of decorating known as Colonial Revival that came about in the 1930’s as Colonial Williamsburg was being restored.

    If there is interest in some of the other events that are not what was taught in school and I will post about them.

  36. Boise Ed Mar 1st 2014 at 02:29 am 36

    Meryl: I, for one, find all this very interesting.

  37. Mona Mar 1st 2014 at 02:36 am 37

    Meryl - Fascinating! I too am a bookkeeper/accountant. And I learned early-on that the way to get good grades in school was to repeat or parrot (report/write) back to the teachers what they wanted to hear.
    Regarding not only history but more current events it is often difficult to discern what is “true”.

  38. Bob Mar 1st 2014 at 01:58 pm 38

    Meryl A - My thanks, also. Very interesting information.

  39. PG Mar 2nd 2014 at 03:13 pm 39

    I think it’s absurdist humor and the crime in question, though unstated, is assumed to be desecration of a gravesite. The humor derives from the fact that we now live in a Kafka-esque world of arbitrary punishment and lenience. The ideal of “justice” is the real joke. Ack.

  40. Dave in Boston Mar 2nd 2014 at 05:52 pm 40

    Meryl: post away (although the older this entry gets the fewer people will see it).

    I have forgotten many of the bits, but IIRC the essential part about the Tea Party was that the tea in question was cheaper than otherwise available (hence it had to be gotten rid of; more expensive tea wouldn’t sell and wouldn’t concern anyone) but that it still carried the tea tax, just not other taxes or something so as to make it cheaper. (Or was it explicitly subsidized? I forget.) Meanwhile the hot political issue was whether Parliament was entitled to impose that tea tax or not. That is, the tea delivery was a scheme to dump cheap tea into the marketplace such that buying it for less would constitute acceptance of the otherwise illegal taxation. This wasn’t politically acceptable, so the tea got dumped in the harbor instead.

    This has enough subtle details that it’s no surprise most of them have been generally forgotten.

  41. Mona Mar 2nd 2014 at 06:19 pm 41

    Meryl - does your group have a website?

  42. Jack in Dallas Mar 3rd 2014 at 11:24 pm 42

    Grounds for dismissal.

  43. Meryl A Mar 5th 2014 at 01:36 am 43

    Dave in Boston (40) -

    By your name you should have some pretty good information about this.

    As I explained, the problem with the taxes was not the concept of paying taxes as taxes were paid on a regular basis in the individual colonies. Nor was the problem that Britain wanted money from the colonies. The problem is that Britain had no right to tax those who were not represented in Parliament (hence -No taxation without representation), only the colonies own various elected governments could tax the colonists (and each only within their own colony). In the past when Britain needed monies from the colonies (i.e. needed to tax them) they had sent to the various colonies asking for the money. The individual colonies taxed the colonists in their own colonies and submitted the money collected to Britain. So it was the concept that the tax was from Britain on individuals that was a problem.

    Colonists had gotten very good at bringing in untaxed tea and merchants, including John Hancock, had made money on same. The tax being removed from East India co tea made the tea cheaper than the illegitimate tea. Those who had been bringing in or selling the tea illegally did not want the untaxed tea sold. In addition there was a general annoyance that one company was being favored by this removal of the tax on their tea (tea from any other importer would still be taxed).

    The tea was sent to all of the colonies. Other colonies managed to deal with the problem without dumping the tea.

  44. Meryl A Mar 5th 2014 at 01:46 am 44

    Mona (41) -

    Yes, I think if you click on my name in a post it will open the site. If not it is

    Robert is on the home page in a picture of 4 men standing by the cannon; he is on the right. While I am in a picture at the bottom of the page I am a dot on the right side. I can better be seen (presuming anyone wants to see me) in the gallery pictures. The large picture on the first page of the gallery is a group of us waiting to start the town St Pat parade (this year’s will be this Sunday) and Robert is in the center. I am between him and the woman in the red cloak (I have period colored glass glasses on). I am in various other pictures in a brown “bed jacket” (which is not worn for bed) or a navy one generally either sewing or cooking. I have lost weight over the years. I don’t have a gown as we make (or buy) our own period clothes and I never get a chance to even make Robert new breeches he needs, let alone a gown for me. He often threatens to tell people that I am his indentured servant.

  45. feuerstein Mar 13th 2014 at 02:33 am 45

    elyrest, you can also find starbucks outside of the USA, but starbucks still doesn’t sell coffee, they only have homeopathic versions. both in the US and outside the US.

    I really don’t understand why it sells in non-english-speaking countries. apart from being cheaper because of less coffee beans. but that really isn’t an excuse, is it.

  46. Elyrest Mar 13th 2014 at 11:29 am 46

    feuerstein - I haven’t actually been in a Starbucks in years, so I can’t comment on their current state of coffee. I will agree though that most places brew their coffee weak and I’m pretty sure it’s to save money. I drink my coffee at home cause I make excellent coffee, just the way I like it, and it doesn’t cost an arm & a leg.

  47. Lost in A**2 Mar 13th 2014 at 04:57 pm 47

    (I’ll bite: how much coffee does it take to make it not “homeopathic”?)

  48. feuerstein Mar 13th 2014 at 06:09 pm 48

    Anne Arbor: i think it would be safe to say that turkish coffee and espresso are not homeopathic. whereas most things that make more than two cups of coffee, by letting warm water, at normal atmospheric pressure, run via gravity through a filter, would be homeopathic, at least in italy and germany and turkey. i should think in many other places as well, but i don’t have much personal experience with others.

  49. Kilby Mar 14th 2014 at 05:56 am 49

    @ Lost in A**2 (47) - I’m not a coffee drinker, but here’s the ratio that I generally use to make coffee for visitors to our house in Germany: approx. 15 grams of ground coffee (roughly 1/2 ounce) for 300 ml (1.25 US “cups”) boiling water (this is for a small “plunger” caraffe). The result is probably slightly on the high side, I’ve never had a “too weak” complaint, but we do know a few people for whom I short the coffee by perhaps a quarter.

    P.S. @ feuerstein (45) - I think Starbucks is probably clever enough to adjust their brew to local preferences, but in many of their foreign locations, a lot of those customers are not locals, but tourists.

  50. Lost in A**2 Mar 14th 2014 at 06:17 am 50

    Thank you, feuerstein. So it’s not how much coffee is used, it’s the brewing method. Most of the places I’ve gotten espresso dilute it enough that you would probably consider that “homeopathic,” were you to try it.

    Kilby, I’ve been told that the ‘best’ way to get vary the strength is by varying the beans and roasts. That is, always use the same amount of coffee, but use different coffees.

  51. mitch4 Mar 14th 2014 at 08:47 am 51

    (Paul Revere was captured quickly, William Dawes did most of the warning of the British coming to Lexington & Concord after Sam Adams and John Hancock)

    I’ve been searching in vain for what I remember hearing as a sort of parody response to Longfellow, that goes

    Listen my children, as we give pause,
    To the midnight Ride of Billy Dawes.

    But all that I keep on finding is the one described here:

    “The Midnight Ride of William Dawes” was written by Helen F. Moore as a poetic complaint and published in 1896 in the Century Magazine. This poem represents a parody to Longfellow’s Midnight Ride

    But I’m not going to paste it here; it’s four stanzas and rather boring. And probably not actually a “parody” as all these reprinters call it, since it doesn’t seem to echo the form or sound of the Longfellow. (I admit I don’t know much more of it.) So it’s just a “reply” maybe.

  52. Elyrest Mar 14th 2014 at 11:45 am 52

    Lost in A**2 - In my experience you vary the strength of coffee by the type of bean, the roasting method, the grinding setting, the amount of coffee to water, and brewing time. That’s a lot of variables there to make coffee. You could take a dark roast and brew it weak or a light roast and brew it strong. They aren’t going to taste the same by any means.

  53. feuerstein Mar 14th 2014 at 05:02 pm 53

    how finely the coffee is ground makes a difference too. espresso and turkish are finely ground, so you don’t need as much coffee, but using a paper filter just doesn’t work.

    absolutely right about the roasting. lightly roasted coffee doesn’t have as much flavor, and using more really doesn’t help. mixing differnt kinds of coffee turns out bad, too. espresso and turkish are roasted darker as well.

    kilby, now that you mention it, the starbucks i’ve been to were in train stations in touristy cities. i guess that explains it.

  54. Meryl A Mar 15th 2014 at 02:28 am 54

    As I have said I am not really a coffee drinker. When we were first married we got a drip coffee maker as a gift from one of Robert’s family’s neighbors who had a business selling same to businesses. We had a group of people from R’s job in for the evening and we had to make coffee. They found it hysterical that we were standing in the kitchen reading the instructions.

    When we used to have the families in for Thanksgiving my brother in law and his were the only ones who drank coffee (probably now my niece and my nephews) and they were stuck with instant. Then we were away and I was pissed at the hotel. I found a new way to lower my annoyance - I took the packet of coffee to make 2 cups home with me from the room and built up a collection of same. Now they had real coffee. I still have the collection, also tea from one hotel I was really upset with (the Internet never worked).

    Now at our reeactment group’s meetings (business and program, not events) we make coffee and somehow it has fallen to me. I mention this due to the discussion on how much coffee to use. When my mom and grandmother made coffee I remembered they used a scoop per cup (in the glass 2 pot looking contraption like in “Woman of the Year” with Hepburn and Tracey). So that is what I use. I don’t know if it is right or not for the drip machines. First time I make the coffee one member comes to me and says “That is great coffee, not too weak, good job” (he is about 25 years older than me). Following this another member (also about 25 years older than me and a literal rocket Scientist - he once commented to R that his design for the shuttle was not the one used ) says to me “That coffee is much too strong.” (in his lovely French accent and the French know coffee I heard), So is the coffee too strong or too weak?

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