I wonder what those parents would say if the next dance includes a strip tease. “It’s OK, the girls are too young to know that dancing naked in front of people is sexual. Besides, they put a lot of time & practice into their art!”

Which brings me to the naked Chipettes. I hadn’t gotten that far in the video so re-watched to that point. Ick. It’s not so much the “nudity” as it was the guy at the table watching them like a dude at a strip club (although the moves they made while “naked”disturbed me for reasons I can’t quite pin down; something about a pseudo-sexy rodent. . .). Kinda felt like I was watching a scene from “Fritz the Cat” rather than a movie aimed at children.

I said it was all over the internet, and she said maybe we should take my internet access away. I said, um, it was on tv as well. She was silent.

Then I asked her, you said they’re too young. How old are they then? And she said, hard to tell… 15, 16…

I showed her the photo on Tristara’s link, and she said, oh, that’s them when they were younger! How cute. Except they’re not wearing clothes, they look more like pajamas or something.

And when she saw the real ages of the dancers she said it was very terrible.

Yeah Chuckers, even kids see problems here.

I’ll say it.

There’s a small corner of my mind that says “yum.”

I’m neither a prude nor a child molester, nor do I indulge that corner of my mind inappropriately. But since it is inside me, I am sure it is there (bigger or smaller) in everyone else. Sexuality does not belong in public for that simple reason.

That no-one, not the newscaster nor Nicole nor anyone really, no-one is allowed to say it, That’s why Bill’s post from the parents threw me over the edge.

Heh. I started up the Chipettes link and my 4 year old daughter quickly came over to sit on my lap to watch it. At the full monty bit, she asked me “How come they are naked?” “Uh, I don’t know.”

THAT’S a little scary.

Gilgamesh, I wrote this a couple hours ago. Lucky, too. I can’t think straight again. I can hardly … time to go out into the fog again and contemplate the … can’t get the expletives out of my mind again … I’m glad it’s foggy today.

Gilgamesh #147: good things to think about. And what happens if someone’s wiring is different from our own? Humans are all over the board there. But what happens if someone’s hardware is too different?

I mean, a not-so-extreme example might be a bus crash, one person is still conscious, and there is a mixture of ages and genders on board. Without thinking about it, he or she saves a couple of adults, but several children perish before they can be saved.

Was it a difference in hard-wiring? Was it even a conscious choice? Or is it governed by their environment, affected by parents to peers to colleagues? Was it a mixture? If so, in what percentages? What if “everyone else” would have saved the children first and are outraged that the rescuer didn’t do that?

If hard-wiring plays an important role, is it even fair to criticize the behavior? At what point do we hold the individual responsible for their hard-wiring? Can someone change it once the brain stops growing? What if basic urges related to hard-wiring show up much more often under stress than in a controlled environment?
If a person’s environment plays an important role, is it even fair to criticize the behavior? At what point do we hold the individual responsible for their environment? What if the problem was caused by the person’s environment when they were too young to change it?
If conscious decision-making is important, to what extent does stress affect the quality of the decision?

If the answers are clear for this example : ) think of a more extreme example. Add in some behaviors that are known to be influenced by hormones or some that are known to be influenced by the environment.

And then what do we mean by “everyone else?” Is it the people that survived the crash? The village where the crash happened? The country where the crash happened? Or the news agency that reported it? Or perhaps some country that considers themselves the police of the world (yeah a little dig there)?
And anyway, once we determine who the everyone else is, what about variance within that group?

Well don’t ask me. My mind broke when I realized that the parents were a big enough group, and that this question would probably solved by democracy and politics rather than common sense. “Common sense” haha. Isn’t that just an acknowledgment of environmental influences?

I don’t care if the girls are good dancers (re Tristara’s link @157). They aren’t doing dance moves suitable for kids and they aren’t projecting an image suitable for kids.

Igelino #125 ….. Welcome aboard I actually thought along those lines early on, I just didn’t say anything directly about it because the image was just so gross and I did not want anyone to get THAT stuck in their heads because of something I said.