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	<title>Comments on: A Word of Advice For Toni</title>
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		<title>By: AMC</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28902</link>
		<dc:creator>AMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what will happen - Brad's dad will suffer a heart attack.  Toni will save him, and her relationship with Brad's mom will thaw.

I've got a $100 on it in Vegas at the Comic Book at the Belagio.  If you haven't been there, it's great.  Big overstuffed chairs, newspaper comic sections from all over the country lining the walls, and hot cocktail waitresses bringing you drinks as long as you're placing bets....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what will happen - Brad&#8217;s dad will suffer a heart attack.  Toni will save him, and her relationship with Brad&#8217;s mom will thaw.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a $100 on it in Vegas at the Comic Book at the Belagio.  If you haven&#8217;t been there, it&#8217;s great.  Big overstuffed chairs, newspaper comic sections from all over the country lining the walls, and hot cocktail waitresses bringing you drinks as long as you&#8217;re placing bets&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch4</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28741</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn't sure who that Elizabeth and Anthony were, that Kate C and Tullia are discussing, but a search soon found this long, involved, closely-reasoned diatribe 

http://shaenon.livejournal.com/29475.html 

from the brilliant Shaenon K. Garrity.  
   --- I read this LJ entry with more attention than called for by the low interest I take in FBoFW  because I thought it might give some clues to understanding Garrity's mysterious  &lt;i&gt;Skin Horse&lt;/i&gt;.  And perhaps it did, though from the discussion of her projects it dates from before she was doing SH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t sure who that Elizabeth and Anthony were, that Kate C and Tullia are discussing, but a search soon found this long, involved, closely-reasoned diatribe </p>
<p><a href="http://shaenon.livejournal.com/29475.html" rel="nofollow">http://shaenon.livejournal.com/29475.html</a> </p>
<p>from the brilliant Shaenon K. Garrity.<br />
   &#8212; I read this LJ entry with more attention than called for by the low interest I take in FBoFW  because I thought it might give some clues to understanding Garrity&#8217;s mysterious  <i>Skin Horse</i>.  And perhaps it did, though from the discussion of her projects it dates from before she was doing SH.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate C</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28740</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tullia--Really? I think think is much, much more interesting that Elizabeth. She's a firefighter, she has a sense of humor, she's interested in her work. Yeah, there's an element of hot-babe-and-nerd (plus, for too long, too many of Toni's stories revolved around Dirk). 

I find Brad pretty obnoxious, but not even near as bad as Anthony. At worst, Brad is just extremely immature and bratty. Plus, I think he's kind of cute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tullia&#8211;Really? I think think is much, much more interesting that Elizabeth. She&#8217;s a firefighter, she has a sense of humor, she&#8217;s interested in her work. Yeah, there&#8217;s an element of hot-babe-and-nerd (plus, for too long, too many of Toni&#8217;s stories revolved around Dirk). </p>
<p>I find Brad pretty obnoxious, but not even near as bad as Anthony. At worst, Brad is just extremely immature and bratty. Plus, I think he&#8217;s kind of cute.</p>
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		<title>By: Tullia</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28739</link>
		<dc:creator>Tullia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why isn't Brad helping his girlfriend clean up?

Since I don't read Luann, all I'm getting from this thread (and others previous) is "nice hot girl falls for plain schlub who's also nice." While Brad doesn't seem NEAR as bad as Anthony, nor Toni as potentially interesting as Elizabeth, it still feels a little like deja vu all over again. Or ... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why isn&#8217;t Brad helping his girlfriend clean up?</p>
<p>Since I don&#8217;t read Luann, all I&#8217;m getting from this thread (and others previous) is &#8220;nice hot girl falls for plain schlub who&#8217;s also nice.&#8221; While Brad doesn&#8217;t seem NEAR as bad as Anthony, nor Toni as potentially interesting as Elizabeth, it still feels a little like deja vu all over again. Or &#8230; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Slager</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28732</link>
		<dc:creator>Slager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28732</guid>
		<description>I'm glad that this strip is getting some discussion here. I know it's a bit ridiculous for me to get worked up over something as trivial as a comic strip, but every Luann I've read these past two weeks have made me a little angry. The mother's (Nancy, we all agree) animosity towards Toni seems woefully unfounded, and uncalled for. And Toni has no reason to be 'cold' in return except that Nancy is being so 'cold'. I don't know if I'm more upset at the character or the contrivances of the plot. Anyway. Yes, assuming that a woman will leave a man just because she's a hottiepants is pretty sexist. I'm interested to see who gets their comeuppance in this storyline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that this strip is getting some discussion here. I know it&#8217;s a bit ridiculous for me to get worked up over something as trivial as a comic strip, but every Luann I&#8217;ve read these past two weeks have made me a little angry. The mother&#8217;s (Nancy, we all agree) animosity towards Toni seems woefully unfounded, and uncalled for. And Toni has no reason to be &#8216;cold&#8217; in return except that Nancy is being so &#8216;cold&#8217;. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m more upset at the character or the contrivances of the plot. Anyway. Yes, assuming that a woman will leave a man just because she&#8217;s a hottiepants is pretty sexist. I&#8217;m interested to see who gets their comeuppance in this storyline.</p>
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		<title>By: WackySayings</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28731</link>
		<dc:creator>WackySayings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, Nancy told Luann that she had 19 boyfriends before she got Married to Frank(number 20), also on August 2003 she told Brad that she had trust on him in seeing if Toni was a nice girl, not just a bimbo(where did that trust go?). 

The saddest part is that As Far as we know, Dirk has been the only Boyfriend Toni had, so Nancy is assuming too much that "all Toni's past BFs are jerks", plus from what I see from Toni's reaction to Nancy "coldness"; Nancy is going on dangerous ground, as many times women who are or were in abusive relationships get very hurt and depressed when others try to put them downas people who do not deserve anything good (Nancy thinking that she is a Bimbo who only wants adventures and jerks, and not nice, polite and ordinary men like Brad, and that Toni will eventually hurt Brad by leaving him so Toni does not deserve Brad)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, Nancy told Luann that she had 19 boyfriends before she got Married to Frank(number 20), also on August 2003 she told Brad that she had trust on him in seeing if Toni was a nice girl, not just a bimbo(where did that trust go?). </p>
<p>The saddest part is that As Far as we know, Dirk has been the only Boyfriend Toni had, so Nancy is assuming too much that &#8220;all Toni&#8217;s past BFs are jerks&#8221;, plus from what I see from Toni&#8217;s reaction to Nancy &#8220;coldness&#8221;; Nancy is going on dangerous ground, as many times women who are or were in abusive relationships get very hurt and depressed when others try to put them downas people who do not deserve anything good (Nancy thinking that she is a Bimbo who only wants adventures and jerks, and not nice, polite and ordinary men like Brad, and that Toni will eventually hurt Brad by leaving him so Toni does not deserve Brad)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28730</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one strip, quite a few years ago, Nancy was talking to Luann, and telling her how many boyfriends she'd had before she ever met Luann and Brad's dad, one died in Vietnam, one became a priest, and so on.  The point being that she'd been around, dated a lot of guys, and that's a good thing.

The other thing, when did the really hot, smart neighbor girl disappear?  Brad lusted after her for years, but became a tongue -tied idiot whenever he had a chance to talk to her.  Turned out she used him a few times to experiment on what happens when you expose a monosyllabic moron to culture.  IIRC, Nancy pointed out to Brad what she was doing, but didn't get terribly bent out of shape about it.  And if she's OK with TJ, she should be OK if Brad decided to date a bisexual, polygamous alpaca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one strip, quite a few years ago, Nancy was talking to Luann, and telling her how many boyfriends she&#8217;d had before she ever met Luann and Brad&#8217;s dad, one died in Vietnam, one became a priest, and so on.  The point being that she&#8217;d been around, dated a lot of guys, and that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>The other thing, when did the really hot, smart neighbor girl disappear?  Brad lusted after her for years, but became a tongue -tied idiot whenever he had a chance to talk to her.  Turned out she used him a few times to experiment on what happens when you expose a monosyllabic moron to culture.  IIRC, Nancy pointed out to Brad what she was doing, but didn&#8217;t get terribly bent out of shape about it.  And if she&#8217;s OK with TJ, she should be OK if Brad decided to date a bisexual, polygamous alpaca.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch4</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28726</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Comics.com the discussion thread for Luann seems to usually be one of the most active, and in large part fairly juvenile -- as though populated with coevals of the title character, perpetual highschoolers. But the discussion of this Thanksgiving dinner series there has been along similar lines to the thread here... except that the opprobrium is being directed against Nancy (the mother) for her smothering rather than Brad (the momma's boy) for giving in to it.

My take blames Nancy for what seems like, after just a little analysis, an antimale and antisex viewpoint.  She assumes her son, like all men, is "just after one thing", which he could disprove only by going after a very dowdy or otherwise unattractive and unsexy girlfriend.  The fact that Toni is pretty and sexy makes her a bimbo in Nancy's eyes, sweeping aside Toni's intelligence, sweetness, independence, and career prospects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Comics.com the discussion thread for Luann seems to usually be one of the most active, and in large part fairly juvenile &#8212; as though populated with coevals of the title character, perpetual highschoolers. But the discussion of this Thanksgiving dinner series there has been along similar lines to the thread here&#8230; except that the opprobrium is being directed against Nancy (the mother) for her smothering rather than Brad (the momma&#8217;s boy) for giving in to it.</p>
<p>My take blames Nancy for what seems like, after just a little analysis, an antimale and antisex viewpoint.  She assumes her son, like all men, is &#8220;just after one thing&#8221;, which he could disprove only by going after a very dowdy or otherwise unattractive and unsexy girlfriend.  The fact that Toni is pretty and sexy makes her a bimbo in Nancy&#8217;s eyes, sweeping aside Toni&#8217;s intelligence, sweetness, independence, and career prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: HeroSteve</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28725</link>
		<dc:creator>HeroSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on Brad's Mom's comments from earlier strips, she doesn't trust Toni because she thinks Toni seeks excitement.  She sees her son as stable and responsible (mostly), and expects Toni to get bored with Brad.

Also, in the storyline when Dirk punched Brad, his Mom said that something bad happens to Brad every time Toni is around.  At the time, it was a justified statement - previously, Mom caught Dirk putting Brad in a headlock while Toni was there.  Toni was also still involved with Dirk.

Later in the story, Dirk violated his restraining order against Brad, and Brad called the police in spite of Toni's protests.  

After that, even Brad made Toni work a little harder to regain his trust.

So in summary, Brad and Toni have moved on, but Mom is holding a grudge.  Given the history, it's understandable.  However, Brad will need to address it soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on Brad&#8217;s Mom&#8217;s comments from earlier strips, she doesn&#8217;t trust Toni because she thinks Toni seeks excitement.  She sees her son as stable and responsible (mostly), and expects Toni to get bored with Brad.</p>
<p>Also, in the storyline when Dirk punched Brad, his Mom said that something bad happens to Brad every time Toni is around.  At the time, it was a justified statement - previously, Mom caught Dirk putting Brad in a headlock while Toni was there.  Toni was also still involved with Dirk.</p>
<p>Later in the story, Dirk violated his restraining order against Brad, and Brad called the police in spite of Toni&#8217;s protests.  </p>
<p>After that, even Brad made Toni work a little harder to regain his trust.</p>
<p>So in summary, Brad and Toni have moved on, but Mom is holding a grudge.  Given the history, it&#8217;s understandable.  However, Brad will need to address it soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Chyron HR</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/11/27/a-word-of-advice-for-toni/#comment-28724</link>
		<dc:creator>Chyron HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The National Day of Thanksgiving is a unique opportunity for Australians to celebrate and give thanks for our God given heritage as a nation and to demonstrate the God given values(...)&lt;/i&gt;

Right.  That's totally a mainstream national holiday in Australia.  And the reason all those Australians keep saying that Greg Evans was wrong about them celebrating Thanksgiving is because they're part of a &lt;i&gt;conspiracy&lt;/i&gt;.  A conspiracy to &lt;i&gt;deny the existence of a holiday that everybody supposedly celebrates&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The National Day of Thanksgiving is a unique opportunity for Australians to celebrate and give thanks for our God given heritage as a nation and to demonstrate the God given values(&#8230;)</i></p>
<p>Right.  That&#8217;s totally a mainstream national holiday in Australia.  And the reason all those Australians keep saying that Greg Evans was wrong about them celebrating Thanksgiving is because they&#8217;re part of a <i>conspiracy</i>.  A conspiracy to <i>deny the existence of a holiday that everybody supposedly celebrates</i>.</p>
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