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		<title>By: Mitch4</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24608</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I didn't say 'pedantic' about the obviously more correct use of 100 as the denominator. 

The odd '00' as denominator was what I was taught, long ago now, and evidently also what Jeff S. learned.  But if it ever was as standard as I supposed, it no longer is: a quick check on the first few results of Googling "how to write a check" all show 100 as the denominator unhesitatingly.   

The first one I saw with a variant was http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-write-a-check (step 5), which offers "xx" &lt;i&gt;as the denominator&lt;/i&gt; (I had only run across it as numerator), and in the fractional part of &lt;i&gt;the numeric amount field&lt;/i&gt; (which for me would normally be a decimal part).  The same source (in step 6) offers "NO" as one form for the cents numerator when it is zero, this time for the text amount field.  

The user-answers sites do have a variety of responses, but just like here it's a matter of "this is how I do it".  I liked the French-learners one,  where they also find the right phrasing for "write a check".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I didn&#8217;t say &#8216;pedantic&#8217; about the obviously more correct use of 100 as the denominator. </p>
<p>The odd &#8216;00&#8242; as denominator was what I was taught, long ago now, and evidently also what Jeff S. learned.  But if it ever was as standard as I supposed, it no longer is: a quick check on the first few results of Googling &#8220;how to write a check&#8221; all show 100 as the denominator unhesitatingly.   </p>
<p>The first one I saw with a variant was <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-write-a-check" rel="nofollow">http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-write-a-check</a> (step 5), which offers &#8220;xx&#8221; <i>as the denominator</i> (I had only run across it as numerator), and in the fractional part of <i>the numeric amount field</i> (which for me would normally be a decimal part).  The same source (in step 6) offers &#8220;NO&#8221; as one form for the cents numerator when it is zero, this time for the text amount field.  </p>
<p>The user-answers sites do have a variety of responses, but just like here it&#8217;s a matter of &#8220;this is how I do it&#8221;.  I liked the French-learners one,  where they also find the right phrasing for &#8220;write a check&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Morris Keesan</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24606</link>
		<dc:creator>Morris Keesan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch4: Really?  number/00 is a standard recommended form?  I've NEVER written a check like that; when I fill in the cents on the written-out-in-words line, I ALWAYS write "/100", and I've written checks that way ever since I got my first checking account in 1970.  It's never occurred to me that this was pedantic, or that there was any other way to write it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch4: Really?  number/00 is a standard recommended form?  I&#8217;ve NEVER written a check like that; when I fill in the cents on the written-out-in-words line, I ALWAYS write &#8220;/100&#8243;, and I&#8217;ve written checks that way ever since I got my first checking account in 1970.  It&#8217;s never occurred to me that this was pedantic, or that there was any other way to write it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch4</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24602</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24602</guid>
		<description>@furrykef - I s'pose you're just kidding, but for the record the form Jeff S mentions is pretty much the standard recommended one.  The "00" denominator shows up whether the numerator is a actual number of cents or yet another convention like writing "no" or "xx" (which is meant for zero, not twenty!).   Why it's considered a big help to leave off one digit from "/100" is far from obvious.  
   So reducing the fraction, or leaving it off in the case of a round dollar amount, might be a gesture against the mathematically meaningless division-by-00 convention.  (Of course, we could just pedantically write the "35/100" style.)

@Nathaniel --  thanks for connecting the dots!  I've  heard the audio clip and thought it maddening and hilarious.  The company certainly deserved the ridicule or even contempt the distribution of the clip garnered for them.  I didn't connect it with this fancy check though until you pointed it out.  

But in a way the check goes beyond the real point.  The accounting department and the customer-service department who go over our bills with us certainly need to understand the pertinent math.  Also the promotions or advertising people who cook up special deals.  But what is the pertinent math?  For the customer-service call anyway, it's mostly decimal notation and units.  Do they actually need to be able to evaluate the convergent power series on the check?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@furrykef - I s&#8217;pose you&#8217;re just kidding, but for the record the form Jeff S mentions is pretty much the standard recommended one.  The &#8220;00&#8243; denominator shows up whether the numerator is a actual number of cents or yet another convention like writing &#8220;no&#8221; or &#8220;xx&#8221; (which is meant for zero, not twenty!).   Why it&#8217;s considered a big help to leave off one digit from &#8220;/100&#8243; is far from obvious.<br />
   So reducing the fraction, or leaving it off in the case of a round dollar amount, might be a gesture against the mathematically meaningless division-by-00 convention.  (Of course, we could just pedantically write the &#8220;35/100&#8243; style.)</p>
<p>@Nathaniel &#8212;  thanks for connecting the dots!  I&#8217;ve  heard the audio clip and thought it maddening and hilarious.  The company certainly deserved the ridicule or even contempt the distribution of the clip garnered for them.  I didn&#8217;t connect it with this fancy check though until you pointed it out.  </p>
<p>But in a way the check goes beyond the real point.  The accounting department and the customer-service department who go over our bills with us certainly need to understand the pertinent math.  Also the promotions or advertising people who cook up special deals.  But what is the pertinent math?  For the customer-service call anyway, it&#8217;s mostly decimal notation and units.  Do they actually need to be able to evaluate the convergent power series on the check?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24598</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24598</guid>
		<description>Mitch: the fancy math check is in response to an &lt;a href="http://verizonmath.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;incident&lt;/a&gt; wherein Verizon Wireless quoted a guy .002 cents/kB and charged him .002 dollars/kB. When he called to complain, he couldn't find anyone in the call center who understood the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch: the fancy math check is in response to an <a href="http://verizonmath.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">incident</a> wherein Verizon Wireless quoted a guy .002 cents/kB and charged him .002 dollars/kB. When he called to complain, he couldn&#8217;t find anyone in the call center who understood the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: furrykef</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24589</link>
		<dc:creator>furrykef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff S. -- you divide by zero?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff S. &#8212; you divide by zero?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff S.</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24580</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24580</guid>
		<description>When I write a check and it's an even dollar amount, I print it like this...

The Amount of:  Six and no/00~~~~~~~~~~~ Dollars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I write a check and it&#8217;s an even dollar amount, I print it like this&#8230;</p>
<p>The Amount of:  Six and no/00~~~~~~~~~~~ Dollars</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24545</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24545</guid>
		<description>The reason hot dog buns and the hot dogs themselves are packaged in different quantities is because two different kinds of people prepare and package them.

Buns are made by bakers, who usually do things in dozens. That's been the way since the Roman Empire and not likely to change.

Hot dogs are made by butchers, who sell their product by weight. Chances are your hot dog packages conform to a specific pound/ounce value.

So that's the big secret. Jaw-dropping, isn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason hot dog buns and the hot dogs themselves are packaged in different quantities is because two different kinds of people prepare and package them.</p>
<p>Buns are made by bakers, who usually do things in dozens. That&#8217;s been the way since the Roman Empire and not likely to change.</p>
<p>Hot dogs are made by butchers, who sell their product by weight. Chances are your hot dog packages conform to a specific pound/ounce value.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s the big secret. Jaw-dropping, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: paperboy</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24533</link>
		<dc:creator>paperboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always write, say, $12.43 as "Twelve and Forty-Three One-Hundredths" and only once did the receiver not understand. We're asked to write out the number, so that's what I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always write, say, $12.43 as &#8220;Twelve and Forty-Three One-Hundredths&#8221; and only once did the receiver not understand. We&#8217;re asked to write out the number, so that&#8217;s what I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch4</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24521</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24521</guid>
		<description>* Yes, I sometimes reduce the fraction on a check.  But it hasn't disagreed with the numerical amount, so there has never been an issue.  (Also, sometimes if it's a round number, I skip the fraction, write out the "dollars" and scratch out the printed "dollars".  Like, "Two Hundred Dollars exactly.")

* The way I always heard it, in case of disagreement they go by the worded one.  But in any case it seems you're right that there's a rule for resolving it without sending it back.  

* In that fancy math example, it looks to me that the exponential would amount to -1, the summation would have a limit of 1, cancellling each other; and the $0.002 would be two-tenths of a cent.  That's an amount the banks can't actually do anything with, so for me the clever gesture pales a little -- if it came out to, say, two cents, it would have made a more effective point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* Yes, I sometimes reduce the fraction on a check.  But it hasn&#8217;t disagreed with the numerical amount, so there has never been an issue.  (Also, sometimes if it&#8217;s a round number, I skip the fraction, write out the &#8220;dollars&#8221; and scratch out the printed &#8220;dollars&#8221;.  Like, &#8220;Two Hundred Dollars exactly.&#8221;)</p>
<p>* The way I always heard it, in case of disagreement they go by the worded one.  But in any case it seems you&#8217;re right that there&#8217;s a rule for resolving it without sending it back.  </p>
<p>* In that fancy math example, it looks to me that the exponential would amount to -1, the summation would have a limit of 1, cancellling each other; and the $0.002 would be two-tenths of a cent.  That&#8217;s an amount the banks can&#8217;t actually do anything with, so for me the clever gesture pales a little &#8212; if it came out to, say, two cents, it would have made a more effective point.</p>
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		<title>By: tristara</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/08/25/rithmatic/#comment-24517</link>
		<dc:creator>tristara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured someone would post this right away, but since no one has, I guess I need to..
http://cache.consumerist.com/assets/resources/2006/12/funnychec-thumb.jpg

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured someone would post this right away, but since no one has, I guess I need to..<br />
<a href="http://cache.consumerist.com/assets/resources/2006/12/funnychec-thumb.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://cache.consumerist.com/assets/resources/2006/12/funnychec-thumb.jpg</a></p>
<p> <img src='http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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