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	<title>Comments on: Dinette Set, The</title>
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	<description>Come for the comics, stay for the off-topic political discussions</description>
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		<title>By: jjmcgaffey</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-22164</link>
		<dc:creator>jjmcgaffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlene - yes, they (most US libraries) use Dewey Decimal for non-fiction. The Dewey for fiction is pretty well useless - it's actually separated by country of origin of the author (US fiction is under 813, UK under 823 (I think, the numbers are something like that, and definitely 10 apart)). What the numbers after the decimal mean (genre? author's name? code for something else?) I've never been able to figure out. I've been in libraries that actually used DDC for fiction and it was flat out impossible to find anything, so most ignore DDC for fiction and sort by genre and then by author's surname.

None of which (as you note) has anything to do with 'the', as books are (almost) never shelved by title. But the whole point of The Dinette Set is that they are incredibly stupid and hypocritical. Why I read it, I don't know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlene - yes, they (most US libraries) use Dewey Decimal for non-fiction. The Dewey for fiction is pretty well useless - it&#8217;s actually separated by country of origin of the author (US fiction is under 813, UK under 823 (I think, the numbers are something like that, and definitely 10 apart)). What the numbers after the decimal mean (genre? author&#8217;s name? code for something else?) I&#8217;ve never been able to figure out. I&#8217;ve been in libraries that actually used DDC for fiction and it was flat out impossible to find anything, so most ignore DDC for fiction and sort by genre and then by author&#8217;s surname.</p>
<p>None of which (as you note) has anything to do with &#8216;the&#8217;, as books are (almost) never shelved by title. But the whole point of The Dinette Set is that they are incredibly stupid and hypocritical. Why I read it, I don&#8217;t know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch4</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21972</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21972</guid>
		<description>P.S.  You've gotta wonder what that Hall family did to get so many buildings on campus named for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  You&#8217;ve gotta wonder what that Hall family did to get so many buildings on campus named for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch4</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21971</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21971</guid>
		<description>What a breath of good sense that Glenda Browne article provides!

When I got to the References, though, I was slightly disappointed that none of the entries had multiple authors.  I was curious whether her good sense would extend to keeping second (and later) authors' names un-inverted.  The only point to inverting the name is so the string you're alphabetizing on will come first.  (I suppose you could argue that the sorting might extend to the second name if a given author is cited multiple times with different co-authors.  But if there's that much going on, some sort of citation-key system is called for.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a breath of good sense that Glenda Browne article provides!</p>
<p>When I got to the References, though, I was slightly disappointed that none of the entries had multiple authors.  I was curious whether her good sense would extend to keeping second (and later) authors&#8217; names un-inverted.  The only point to inverting the name is so the string you&#8217;re alphabetizing on will come first.  (I suppose you could argue that the sorting might extend to the second name if a given author is cited multiple times with different co-authors.  But if there&#8217;s that much going on, some sort of citation-key system is called for.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Boston</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21956</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.theindexer.org/files/22-3/22-3_119.pdf

The The Problem is a very real problem in indexing.  Glenda Browne, the author of the linked article, is the foremost authority on The The Problem and is known informally as The The Woman.

Books and other materials in foreign languages often end up in inconsistent places in libraries.  You'll find Stravinsky's opera "The Rake's Progress" under R but Wagner's opera "Die Walkure" could turn up under D or W.  Look under X for "Xcerpts from La Boheme".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theindexer.org/files/22-3/22-3_119.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.theindexer.org/files/22-3/22-3_119.pdf</a></p>
<p>The The Problem is a very real problem in indexing.  Glenda Browne, the author of the linked article, is the foremost authority on The The Problem and is known informally as The The Woman.</p>
<p>Books and other materials in foreign languages often end up in inconsistent places in libraries.  You&#8217;ll find Stravinsky&#8217;s opera &#8220;The Rake&#8217;s Progress&#8221; under R but Wagner&#8217;s opera &#8220;Die Walkure&#8221; could turn up under D or W.  Look under X for &#8220;Xcerpts from La Boheme&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zbicyclist</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21900</link>
		<dc:creator>Zbicyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21900</guid>
		<description>Drastic overthinking on this thread.  Note (1) the Dinette Set crew is always terminally clueless, (2) books that start with "The" really are all over the library, (3) the staff person says they "list" them by the second word; he doesn't say they "shelve" them that way.

Note that the two staff members are "Doe" and "Tick" -- perhaps I just noticed that because my daughter's being treated for Lyme disease (spread by deer ticks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drastic overthinking on this thread.  Note (1) the Dinette Set crew is always terminally clueless, (2) books that start with &#8220;The&#8221; really are all over the library, (3) the staff person says they &#8220;list&#8221; them by the second word; he doesn&#8217;t say they &#8220;shelve&#8221; them that way.</p>
<p>Note that the two staff members are &#8220;Doe&#8221; and &#8220;Tick&#8221; &#8212; perhaps I just noticed that because my daughter&#8217;s being treated for Lyme disease (spread by deer ticks).</p>
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		<title>By: CIDU Bill</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21899</link>
		<dc:creator>CIDU Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There's a lot" and "there are a lot" can both be correct, depending on whether you're stressing the singular word "lot," or the items of which a lot exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a lot&#8221; and &#8220;there are a lot&#8221; can both be correct, depending on whether you&#8217;re stressing the singular word &#8220;lot,&#8221; or the items of which a lot exist.</p>
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		<title>By: furrykef</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21898</link>
		<dc:creator>furrykef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21898</guid>
		<description>Yeah, my first thought was the card catalogue, but if you read the dialogue closely, it's obvious they're talking about the layout of the books on the shelves.

Also, since this site tends to attract grammar nazis, I wonder when somebody is going to point out the phrase "there's a lot" (instead of "there are a lot"). I'm a grammar nazi myself, but for some reason I don't have that particular pet peeve, and in fact I often deliberately use "there's" for both singular and plural. Maybe that's just my inner iconoclast.

BTW, I have to wonder if this comic's artist is ever going to learn that cramming as much as you can into one panel is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; a good idea. I always find it so hard to read...

- Kef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, my first thought was the card catalogue, but if you read the dialogue closely, it&#8217;s obvious they&#8217;re talking about the layout of the books on the shelves.</p>
<p>Also, since this site tends to attract grammar nazis, I wonder when somebody is going to point out the phrase &#8220;there&#8217;s a lot&#8221; (instead of &#8220;there are a lot&#8221;). I&#8217;m a grammar nazi myself, but for some reason I don&#8217;t have that particular pet peeve, and in fact I often deliberately use &#8220;there&#8217;s&#8221; for both singular and plural. Maybe that&#8217;s just my inner iconoclast.</p>
<p>BTW, I have to wonder if this comic&#8217;s artist is ever going to learn that cramming as much as you can into one panel is <em>not</em> a good idea. I always find it so hard to read&#8230;</p>
<p>- Kef</p>
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		<title>By: Charlene</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21892</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do public libraries in the US not use the Dewey Decimal System for non-fiction? (I ask not to be sarcastic but for information: I know the Library of Congress system differs slightly.)

In the Dewey system, fiction is ordered by the writer's surname (or the editor's surname or publisher's name, in case of anthologies) and non-fiction numerically, with the first three letters of the writer's or editor's surname at the end of the number. In some libraries biographies or autobiographies are categorized under the 900s, while in others they're separated out and classified under the subject's name.

The only place "the" comes into play is in the library "card" catalogue, but none of these people seem to be using one either online or otherwise.

A bookstore is not a library.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do public libraries in the US not use the Dewey Decimal System for non-fiction? (I ask not to be sarcastic but for information: I know the Library of Congress system differs slightly.)</p>
<p>In the Dewey system, fiction is ordered by the writer&#8217;s surname (or the editor&#8217;s surname or publisher&#8217;s name, in case of anthologies) and non-fiction numerically, with the first three letters of the writer&#8217;s or editor&#8217;s surname at the end of the number. In some libraries biographies or autobiographies are categorized under the 900s, while in others they&#8217;re separated out and classified under the subject&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>The only place &#8220;the&#8221; comes into play is in the library &#8220;card&#8221; catalogue, but none of these people seem to be using one either online or otherwise.</p>
<p>A bookstore is not a library.</p>
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		<title>By: buzz</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21877</link>
		<dc:creator>buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the fiction section, books are sub-divided by genre or format (viz. large print), then by author's last name, then alphabetically under the author's name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the fiction section, books are sub-divided by genre or format (viz. large print), then by author&#8217;s last name, then alphabetically under the author&#8217;s name.</p>
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		<title>By: Keera</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/07/01/dinette-set-the/#comment-21876</link>
		<dc:creator>Keera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Morris, the cartoonist has been in a library. It's everybody else who hasn't.

@Me, there was the same complaint with the first iterations of iTunes. I therefore have "misnamed" albums like "Beatles, The". Later versions ignore "The" during sorting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Morris, the cartoonist has been in a library. It&#8217;s everybody else who hasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>@Me, there was the same complaint with the first iterations of iTunes. I therefore have &#8220;misnamed&#8221; albums like &#8220;Beatles, The&#8221;. Later versions ignore &#8220;The&#8221; during sorting.</p>
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