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	<title>Comments on: RSS: The Controversy That Never Should Have Been</title>
	<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/</link>
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		<title>By: ImaginaryLover</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-21729</link>
		<dc:creator>ImaginaryLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I use NewsFire for my RSS reader (and I am a bit new to the whole concept) I have no idea why so many people are upset about clicking through. I have a tiny little NewsFire window in the top right hand corner of my MacBook, and just glancing up there once in a while lets me see what's new, and make a quick decision to read or delete. Of course, CIDU is NEVER just deleted. It's a gotta-read! Thanks, Bill, for all the work you've done. Ever since I began reading comics (this would have been in the middle of the last century, with The Phantom, Dick Tracy, Gasoline Alley, Out Our Way, and so on, I love the discussion and the whole community overall. You have made my sixties complete. Gracias, amigo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I use NewsFire for my RSS reader (and I am a bit new to the whole concept) I have no idea why so many people are upset about clicking through. I have a tiny little NewsFire window in the top right hand corner of my MacBook, and just glancing up there once in a while lets me see what&#8217;s new, and make a quick decision to read or delete. Of course, CIDU is NEVER just deleted. It&#8217;s a gotta-read! Thanks, Bill, for all the work you&#8217;ve done. Ever since I began reading comics (this would have been in the middle of the last century, with The Phantom, Dick Tracy, Gasoline Alley, Out Our Way, and so on, I love the discussion and the whole community overall. You have made my sixties complete. Gracias, amigo.</p>
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		<title>By: CIDU Bill</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20718</link>
		<dc:creator>CIDU Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20718</guid>
		<description>PeterW, people "leaving in explosions of angst" notwithstanding, the site has gotten more pageviews in the past week than it's ever gotten before. Even the week when it was mentioned in the New York Times. Even the week when it was mentioned in Entertainment Weekly. Though to be fair, if it had been mentioned in the New York Times and Entertainment Weekly in the same week, I suppose the pageviews would have been higher.

I digress. The key fact is that the "notifies you when there’s an update" feed is what I'd originally set up. The "show the whole post" apparently happened once the technology changed and aggregators chose to consider that the default. I simply went back into the program and re-set the option to what I'd intended in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PeterW, people &#8220;leaving in explosions of angst&#8221; notwithstanding, the site has gotten more pageviews in the past week than it&#8217;s ever gotten before. Even the week when it was mentioned in the New York Times. Even the week when it was mentioned in Entertainment Weekly. Though to be fair, if it had been mentioned in the New York Times and Entertainment Weekly in the same week, I suppose the pageviews would have been higher.</p>
<p>I digress. The key fact is that the &#8220;notifies you when there’s an update&#8221; feed is what I&#8217;d originally set up. The &#8220;show the whole post&#8221; apparently happened once the technology changed and aggregators chose to consider that the default. I simply went back into the program and re-set the option to what I&#8217;d intended in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: CIDU Bill</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20717</link>
		<dc:creator>CIDU Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Velvet74, my life is no longer worth living.

Seriously, dude, storming out of here in high dudgeon is so last week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Velvet74, my life is no longer worth living.</p>
<p>Seriously, dude, storming out of here in high dudgeon is so last week.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterW</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20715</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20715</guid>
		<description>Here's the strength of RSS done right, and the reason why people are leaving in explosions of angst: it allows you to get a taste of an article and then decide if you want to see more or move on, allowing more time to impart readership to a number of blogs that wouldn't get your attention if you had to read the whole thing. It's all in one place, so you don't have to open a dozen bookmarks. And it notifies you when there's an update, so you don't open those dozen bookmarks and find that only three of them have new content. Google Reader adds the feature of being out in the Cloud, so you can access from anywhere.

From what I understand, the reason you're upset about Google in particular is because they have the potential to profit from your work without paying for it. That's valid; web news sources are driving journalistic publications out of business by copying their content and offering it for free or cheap.

Then that argument was set aside as for why content creators should care, while the reason we should care is because "Google is probably using data mining, making You The Reader an unpaid employee." Scary-scary privacy invasion! Data mining is how they support search, GMail, and just about everything else they do. The end result? Ads you're more likely to be interested in. 

Question: would you rather have your time wasted by an ad for something you're completely uninterested in, or one that informed you about products you could use in your daily activities? Caring about privacy is fine, but if you don't share information that affects your relationships with people (read: you have nothing to hide), the end result is win-win.

Another way data mining is used is to recommend feeds. As someone else noted above, this blog was recommended to me by Google. As also noted above, the comments are a big part of the content and an incentive to click through, so the people leaving in a huff are taking pageviews with them. You may not be able to see it with the forced clickthroughs of the new system, but it's definitely an effect.

Ultimately, the point I'm trying to make is that I believe a completely content-free RSS defeats a main part of the purpose of the technology, Google still isn't evil, and I'm sticking around for now, but a future loss of interest may be hastened by the extra investment for the same content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the strength of RSS done right, and the reason why people are leaving in explosions of angst: it allows you to get a taste of an article and then decide if you want to see more or move on, allowing more time to impart readership to a number of blogs that wouldn&#8217;t get your attention if you had to read the whole thing. It&#8217;s all in one place, so you don&#8217;t have to open a dozen bookmarks. And it notifies you when there&#8217;s an update, so you don&#8217;t open those dozen bookmarks and find that only three of them have new content. Google Reader adds the feature of being out in the Cloud, so you can access from anywhere.</p>
<p>From what I understand, the reason you&#8217;re upset about Google in particular is because they have the potential to profit from your work without paying for it. That&#8217;s valid; web news sources are driving journalistic publications out of business by copying their content and offering it for free or cheap.</p>
<p>Then that argument was set aside as for why content creators should care, while the reason we should care is because &#8220;Google is probably using data mining, making You The Reader an unpaid employee.&#8221; Scary-scary privacy invasion! Data mining is how they support search, GMail, and just about everything else they do. The end result? Ads you&#8217;re more likely to be interested in. </p>
<p>Question: would you rather have your time wasted by an ad for something you&#8217;re completely uninterested in, or one that informed you about products you could use in your daily activities? Caring about privacy is fine, but if you don&#8217;t share information that affects your relationships with people (read: you have nothing to hide), the end result is win-win.</p>
<p>Another way data mining is used is to recommend feeds. As someone else noted above, this blog was recommended to me by Google. As also noted above, the comments are a big part of the content and an incentive to click through, so the people leaving in a huff are taking pageviews with them. You may not be able to see it with the forced clickthroughs of the new system, but it&#8217;s definitely an effect.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the point I&#8217;m trying to make is that I believe a completely content-free RSS defeats a main part of the purpose of the technology, Google still isn&#8217;t evil, and I&#8217;m sticking around for now, but a future loss of interest may be hastened by the extra investment for the same content.</p>
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		<title>By: Velvet74</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20713</link>
		<dc:creator>Velvet74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20713</guid>
		<description>I used Google Reader to follow along and then clicked through if there was one I didn't understand and needed to see the comments to understand it.

I also clicked through for the LOL's because normally only the first 1 or 2 would show and I'd come to read the rest.

But for a single comic that I understood I could just move on.

But I'll be removing it from my reader and this will be my last page view you will get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used Google Reader to follow along and then clicked through if there was one I didn&#8217;t understand and needed to see the comments to understand it.</p>
<p>I also clicked through for the LOL&#8217;s because normally only the first 1 or 2 would show and I&#8217;d come to read the rest.</p>
<p>But for a single comic that I understood I could just move on.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll be removing it from my reader and this will be my last page view you will get.</p>
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		<title>By: BGneiss</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20471</link>
		<dc:creator>BGneiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way... tonight I've discovered that I know even less than I thought I did about RSS feeds (I'm apparently currently deep into the negative scale), but I've managed to somehow live a happy and productive life anyway.  Maybe ignorance really is bliss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230; tonight I&#8217;ve discovered that I know even less than I thought I did about RSS feeds (I&#8217;m apparently currently deep into the negative scale), but I&#8217;ve managed to somehow live a happy and productive life anyway.  Maybe ignorance really is bliss.</p>
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		<title>By: BGneiss</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20470</link>
		<dc:creator>BGneiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20470</guid>
		<description>Bill - Thank you for all your hard work, and for putting up with all the whining (even if justified) and cussing (which could never be justified here in any case I can think of).  You have been in my top 10 most visited websites for years, and I don't know what I would do if you ever quit in disgust (which seems to be a trend among bloggers lately).  Thanks for your copious patience and humor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill - Thank you for all your hard work, and for putting up with all the whining (even if justified) and cussing (which could never be justified here in any case I can think of).  You have been in my top 10 most visited websites for years, and I don&#8217;t know what I would do if you ever quit in disgust (which seems to be a trend among bloggers lately).  Thanks for your copious patience and humor!</p>
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		<title>By: Cidu Bill</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20457</link>
		<dc:creator>Cidu Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words, Karen. I'm still careful to renew both crimeweek.com and billo.org each year, so they both could return. There'll certainly be links on the CIDU site if they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words, Karen. I&#8217;m still careful to renew both crimeweek.com and billo.org each year, so they both could return. There&#8217;ll certainly be links on the CIDU site if they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20456</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CIDU Bill, I don't often post, but I want to take a moment to thank you for this site. And mention how I use it. I've been reading CIDU for years now, and I see your site as a kind of performance art. RSS or no, I wouldn't dream of viewing it other than in the original form. Think about this, folks: for years now, this one guy has been taking snippets of the comic universe and turning them into thoughtful art pieces (this free-posting 'comment' feature is pretty new). Would you RSS the Guggenheim? Of course not--some things are meant to be enjoyed, not crossed off a to-do list. 

I visit CIDU about 2-4 tiimes/week, and I start reading from the top. When I see a comic that interests me, I click on it to open in a new tab. I do that all the way down until I get to something I've seen before. Then I read the tabs. This site is *recreational* and I can't comprehend shoehorning it into my daily workflow. This is the kind of site you check out on your coffee break or, like me, late at night after the kids are asleep. CIDU Bill has worked very hard over the years to provide something worth enjoying. If you can't take the time to savor it, perhaps the problem isn't with the site.

Having said all that, do I get to complain a bit? I miss Crimeweek and Billo the Clown!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CIDU Bill, I don&#8217;t often post, but I want to take a moment to thank you for this site. And mention how I use it. I&#8217;ve been reading CIDU for years now, and I see your site as a kind of performance art. RSS or no, I wouldn&#8217;t dream of viewing it other than in the original form. Think about this, folks: for years now, this one guy has been taking snippets of the comic universe and turning them into thoughtful art pieces (this free-posting &#8216;comment&#8217; feature is pretty new). Would you RSS the Guggenheim? Of course not&#8211;some things are meant to be enjoyed, not crossed off a to-do list. </p>
<p>I visit CIDU about 2-4 tiimes/week, and I start reading from the top. When I see a comic that interests me, I click on it to open in a new tab. I do that all the way down until I get to something I&#8217;ve seen before. Then I read the tabs. This site is *recreational* and I can&#8217;t comprehend shoehorning it into my daily workflow. This is the kind of site you check out on your coffee break or, like me, late at night after the kids are asleep. CIDU Bill has worked very hard over the years to provide something worth enjoying. If you can&#8217;t take the time to savor it, perhaps the problem isn&#8217;t with the site.</p>
<p>Having said all that, do I get to complain a bit? I miss Crimeweek and Billo the Clown!</p>
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		<title>By: Elyrest</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2009/06/08/rss-the-controversy-that-never-should-have-been/#comment-20442</link>
		<dc:creator>Elyrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Clix.  Now my head hurts and I'm going to spend the rest of the day trying to figure out that hypocrite thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Clix.  Now my head hurts and I&#8217;m going to spend the rest of the day trying to figure out that hypocrite thing.</p>
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