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	<title>Comments on: He&#8217;s Gonna Lose Points For That One</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12450</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're welcome, Wisteria. Always glad to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Wisteria. Always glad to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Wisteria</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12411</link>
		<dc:creator>Wisteria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Matthew, thank you so much for rising to the bait.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Matthew, thank you so much for rising to the bait.</p>
<p> <img src='http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12401</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wisteria, I think that you probably meant that you COULDN'T care less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wisteria, I think that you probably meant that you COULDN&#8217;T care less.</p>
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		<title>By: Wisteria</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12377</link>
		<dc:creator>Wisteria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"where", not "were", then "were". Beat you to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;where&#8221;, not &#8220;were&#8221;, then &#8220;were&#8221;. Beat you to it!</p>
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		<title>By: Wisteria</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12376</link>
		<dc:creator>Wisteria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in this case it's pretty obviously a grammatical error. I learned everything I know about grammar in grade school, were there were fewer smart kids than kids who were less smart. 

Seriously, "few" USUALLY refers to number and "less" USUALLY refers to size or value. However, there are many perfectly acceptable exceptions to this rule in current usage, because as noted above, the language is dynamic and evolving constantly. So it's kind of a moot point, especially when arguing with a few less smart people on the internet.

A lesser mind might disagree with me on a few points,
about which I could care less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in this case it&#8217;s pretty obviously a grammatical error. I learned everything I know about grammar in grade school, were there were fewer smart kids than kids who were less smart. </p>
<p>Seriously, &#8220;few&#8221; USUALLY refers to number and &#8220;less&#8221; USUALLY refers to size or value. However, there are many perfectly acceptable exceptions to this rule in current usage, because as noted above, the language is dynamic and evolving constantly. So it&#8217;s kind of a moot point, especially when arguing with a few less smart people on the internet.</p>
<p>A lesser mind might disagree with me on a few points,<br />
about which I could care less.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff S.</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12268</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a similar misuse/misunderstanding of a word during the discussions of the Heisman Trophy award.  The reporter said "... even though Tim Tebow actually won most of the first place votes."  There are 928 votes possible.  Most would seem to be closer to 928 than to 309, the amount he actually pulled, which was just 9 more than the winner, Sam Bradford.  I assume what the reporter meant to say was, "...even though Tim Tebow actually had the most first place votes of the nominees."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a similar misuse/misunderstanding of a word during the discussions of the Heisman Trophy award.  The reporter said &#8220;&#8230; even though Tim Tebow actually won most of the first place votes.&#8221;  There are 928 votes possible.  Most would seem to be closer to 928 than to 309, the amount he actually pulled, which was just 9 more than the winner, Sam Bradford.  I assume what the reporter meant to say was, &#8220;&#8230;even though Tim Tebow actually had the most first place votes of the nominees.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Singapore Bill</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12192</link>
		<dc:creator>Singapore Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was working at a magazine in Singapore my editors had a policy for us to follow on this issue. As many of the people we were interviewing did not have English as a first language we did not want to make them look stupid. An error that is minor in speech can look quite bad in print. Therefore we would praphrase anything that we wanted to quote but was too mangle to use. If we needed a direct quote (and various editors had different opinons about how many quotes were needed in a given article) we would try to massage it so that it looked good but still try to keep it in a voice that was recognizable as the speaker. That was sometimes a challenge.

In a case like the one you describe, quote away and let him bear the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was working at a magazine in Singapore my editors had a policy for us to follow on this issue. As many of the people we were interviewing did not have English as a first language we did not want to make them look stupid. An error that is minor in speech can look quite bad in print. Therefore we would praphrase anything that we wanted to quote but was too mangle to use. If we needed a direct quote (and various editors had different opinons about how many quotes were needed in a given article) we would try to massage it so that it looked good but still try to keep it in a voice that was recognizable as the speaker. That was sometimes a challenge.</p>
<p>In a case like the one you describe, quote away and let him bear the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvy</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12185</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark in Boston:
Although I can't find my copy to verify this, I'm pretty sure your list is from "Fumble Rules," by William Safire.

Matthew:
Thanks for your response.  It is obvious now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark in Boston:<br />
Although I can&#8217;t find my copy to verify this, I&#8217;m pretty sure your list is from &#8220;Fumble Rules,&#8221; by William Safire.</p>
<p>Matthew:<br />
Thanks for your response.  It is obvious now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ooten Aboot</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12182</link>
		<dc:creator>Ooten Aboot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, having settled that point, let's discuss the usage of "amount" rather than "number" in #17.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, having settled that point, let&#8217;s discuss the usage of &#8220;amount&#8221; rather than &#8220;number&#8221; in #17.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/12/10/hes-gonna-lose-points-for-that-one/#comment-12170</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexandra, please don’t impose your ear on the rest of us, claiming that those who don’t agree with you have been “programmed”. You may call in “programming”; we call it “education”.

My examples illustrate the consistent distinction between “less” for the uncountable &#38; “fewer” for the countable, just as, heading the other way, we use “much” for the uncountable &#38; “many” for the countable, or are you about to say “Since I got paid, I have many more money”?

The choice between them is semantic, not purely aesthetic. When we use “fewer”, we refer to something countable. It is not simply a sound. You admit as much when you state that using “fewer” “keys the listener/reader to listen [or read] for the number”. There are no two words in English that mean precisely the same thing, although colloquial use frequently blurs meanings so that one word can appear interchangeable with another.

(Your example, “fewer fits in less situations” is inaccurate. Try “fewer fits in fewer situations”. The moment that you make “situations” plural, you make them just as countable as fits.)

Your guideline, which word “flows smoothly” is redundant. The guideline exists: “Less fruit, fewer oranges”. 

Wallaby, your Webster’s unabridged describes how people use the word. We are describing a nice distinction between two words.

Arvy, your sentence using “less” with counting nouns (“It’ll take less than two hours”) still uses less for the uncountable &#38;, in that sentence, understood “time”. Your sentence isn’t saying, “It’ll take less hours than two hours”; it’s saying, “It’ll take less time than two hours”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexandra, please don’t impose your ear on the rest of us, claiming that those who don’t agree with you have been “programmed”. You may call in “programming”; we call it “education”.</p>
<p>My examples illustrate the consistent distinction between “less” for the uncountable &amp; “fewer” for the countable, just as, heading the other way, we use “much” for the uncountable &amp; “many” for the countable, or are you about to say “Since I got paid, I have many more money”?</p>
<p>The choice between them is semantic, not purely aesthetic. When we use “fewer”, we refer to something countable. It is not simply a sound. You admit as much when you state that using “fewer” “keys the listener/reader to listen [or read] for the number”. There are no two words in English that mean precisely the same thing, although colloquial use frequently blurs meanings so that one word can appear interchangeable with another.</p>
<p>(Your example, “fewer fits in less situations” is inaccurate. Try “fewer fits in fewer situations”. The moment that you make “situations” plural, you make them just as countable as fits.)</p>
<p>Your guideline, which word “flows smoothly” is redundant. The guideline exists: “Less fruit, fewer oranges”. </p>
<p>Wallaby, your Webster’s unabridged describes how people use the word. We are describing a nice distinction between two words.</p>
<p>Arvy, your sentence using “less” with counting nouns (“It’ll take less than two hours”) still uses less for the uncountable &amp;, in that sentence, understood “time”. Your sentence isn’t saying, “It’ll take less hours than two hours”; it’s saying, “It’ll take less time than two hours”.</p>
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