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	<title>Comments on: Newt Gingrich: Saturday Night Live Guilty of Slander</title>
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		<title>By: David N</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10193</link>
		<dc:creator>David N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brien - while you are squawking about the children - my god the CHILDREN - remember who has thrust them, without consent, into the limelight.  Sarah Palin drags those kids to every function, including places they probably shouldn't be going, and puts them in difficult situations.  The hockey games and puck drops come to mind.  It could be said that she uses them as shields, and in fact Palin (or her campaign) said so - how could Philadelphia boo when her daughter was there in a Flyers jersey?

I feel for the kids because they do not get to choose, really.  But the campaign decided to make them part of the campaign and as such, it becomes fair game for parody.  Not insults, but parody.  The fake "ads" and such on Rush's show are protected by the same legal rights, so be careful what you wish for.

You might note that you almost never see Obama's kids.  (One might guess that they are in school.)  Biden's are grown, but even McCain doesn't drag his out and show them off constantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brien - while you are squawking about the children - my god the CHILDREN - remember who has thrust them, without consent, into the limelight.  Sarah Palin drags those kids to every function, including places they probably shouldn&#8217;t be going, and puts them in difficult situations.  The hockey games and puck drops come to mind.  It could be said that she uses them as shields, and in fact Palin (or her campaign) said so - how could Philadelphia boo when her daughter was there in a Flyers jersey?</p>
<p>I feel for the kids because they do not get to choose, really.  But the campaign decided to make them part of the campaign and as such, it becomes fair game for parody.  Not insults, but parody.  The fake &#8220;ads&#8221; and such on Rush&#8217;s show are protected by the same legal rights, so be careful what you wish for.</p>
<p>You might note that you almost never see Obama&#8217;s kids.  (One might guess that they are in school.)  Biden&#8217;s are grown, but even McCain doesn&#8217;t drag his out and show them off constantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Hockey Baby-Mama</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10181</link>
		<dc:creator>Hockey Baby-Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10181</guid>
		<description>Is everyone in this country as stupid as people seem to think they are?  And do we have to dumb-down everything in the universe for the supposed masses with a collective IQ of 10?  If people are smart-enough to hold down jobs and function in society, do we still need to coddle them and protect them from learning their news from a weekly late-night TV show that's clearly labeled as parody and farce?  Plenty of people learn their news from Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and that ilk, too, but nobody here's complaining about that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is everyone in this country as stupid as people seem to think they are?  And do we have to dumb-down everything in the universe for the supposed masses with a collective IQ of 10?  If people are smart-enough to hold down jobs and function in society, do we still need to coddle them and protect them from learning their news from a weekly late-night TV show that&#8217;s clearly labeled as parody and farce?  Plenty of people learn their news from Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and that ilk, too, but nobody here&#8217;s complaining about that!</p>
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		<title>By: FadedC</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10166</link>
		<dc:creator>FadedC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10166</guid>
		<description>Bob,

There are always people who can try to argue things like that, but there precedent is against them. Plus while there are a number of comedy programs where people sometimes get their news, SNL is not one of them. They do not present real news along side their skits, the weekend update they do is pure parody.

As for young people getting news from comedy programs, it all depends which ones you are talking about. Somebody watching the Daily Show is going to be far better informed then somebody watching Leno.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>There are always people who can try to argue things like that, but there precedent is against them. Plus while there are a number of comedy programs where people sometimes get their news, SNL is not one of them. They do not present real news along side their skits, the weekend update they do is pure parody.</p>
<p>As for young people getting news from comedy programs, it all depends which ones you are talking about. Somebody watching the Daily Show is going to be far better informed then somebody watching Leno.</p>
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		<title>By: DocBob</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10163</link>
		<dc:creator>DocBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FadedC

I do not have the exact numbers handy, I could look them up if you need me to, but recently a survey was done to find out where the teens and 20's got there news.  Most of them did not watch news (local or national) but got there news from Leno, Comedy Centrals fake newscasts and skits like were seen on Saturday Night Live.  Yes they understand some is humor but not where the line is.  In that respect, it could be argued (though I am not, just saying it could) that this becomes slander as we know Mr. Palin did not have an incestuous affair with his daughter that produced the child in question. 

What is scary to me is that most young people get there news from comedy shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FadedC</p>
<p>I do not have the exact numbers handy, I could look them up if you need me to, but recently a survey was done to find out where the teens and 20&#8217;s got there news.  Most of them did not watch news (local or national) but got there news from Leno, Comedy Centrals fake newscasts and skits like were seen on Saturday Night Live.  Yes they understand some is humor but not where the line is.  In that respect, it could be argued (though I am not, just saying it could) that this becomes slander as we know Mr. Palin did not have an incestuous affair with his daughter that produced the child in question. </p>
<p>What is scary to me is that most young people get there news from comedy shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Boston</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10159</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10159</guid>
		<description>Oh, I think Newt's just jealous.  If he was ever portrayed on SNL, nobody remembers it.  Gingrich is just an insignificant little newt.  Can you remember even three of the points of the "Contract With America"?  Can you name even one that got more than token treatment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think Newt&#8217;s just jealous.  If he was ever portrayed on SNL, nobody remembers it.  Gingrich is just an insignificant little newt.  Can you remember even three of the points of the &#8220;Contract With America&#8221;?  Can you name even one that got more than token treatment?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Andresen</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10155</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Andresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10155</guid>
		<description>Newt Gingrich, in the full transcript, makes it fairly clear that he's talking about the second week's Palin skit on SNL and it seems to me that he didn't understand it.  But is it his fault?

Newt said "Should Katie Couric have apologized for misquoting Henry Kissinger? I mean, how often -- you know, should "Saturday Night Live" apologize for the viciously dishonest and mean-spirited skits they did, particularly about Todd Palin and his daughters, things that I think were slanderous and worthy of a lawsuit?"

The skit shows escalating absurdities that the media are coming up with; the whole point was to skewer the media for their exaggerations, postulations, and lies.  SNL was doing exactly what Newt was doing, protesting left wing media fantasies, and doing it in a way much clearer than the New Yorker (New York?) cover from the summer.

(The reporters in the skit did unfortunately come up the Todd being the father of the daughter's baby theory; the idea of the SNL writers was, I'm sure, to come up with something obviously outrageous, but when an idea short circuit's people's brains, it may not be perfectly effective.  That sole survivor in the front car of the recent L.A. area train collision has no memory of the impact; likewise may the actual details of the skit have been lost as minds tried to reject the image.  It's a different kind of bad judgment.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newt Gingrich, in the full transcript, makes it fairly clear that he&#8217;s talking about the second week&#8217;s Palin skit on SNL and it seems to me that he didn&#8217;t understand it.  But is it his fault?</p>
<p>Newt said &#8220;Should Katie Couric have apologized for misquoting Henry Kissinger? I mean, how often &#8212; you know, should &#8220;Saturday Night Live&#8221; apologize for the viciously dishonest and mean-spirited skits they did, particularly about Todd Palin and his daughters, things that I think were slanderous and worthy of a lawsuit?&#8221;</p>
<p>The skit shows escalating absurdities that the media are coming up with; the whole point was to skewer the media for their exaggerations, postulations, and lies.  SNL was doing exactly what Newt was doing, protesting left wing media fantasies, and doing it in a way much clearer than the New Yorker (New York?) cover from the summer.</p>
<p>(The reporters in the skit did unfortunately come up the Todd being the father of the daughter&#8217;s baby theory; the idea of the SNL writers was, I&#8217;m sure, to come up with something obviously outrageous, but when an idea short circuit&#8217;s people&#8217;s brains, it may not be perfectly effective.  That sole survivor in the front car of the recent L.A. area train collision has no memory of the impact; likewise may the actual details of the skit have been lost as minds tried to reject the image.  It&#8217;s a different kind of bad judgment.)</p>
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		<title>By: FadedC</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10147</link>
		<dc:creator>FadedC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's perfectly reasonable for him to be upset if he views it as a tasteless parody of people who should be off limits. But in order for it to be considered slander, it would be required to be presented in a format that the reasonable person would consider to be true. Nothing presented on Saturday Night Live can be viewed as anything worse then an offensive parody.

So it's fine for him to think that it's wrong to make fun of their children, but it's clueless for him to call for a lawsuit that would be laughed out of court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s perfectly reasonable for him to be upset if he views it as a tasteless parody of people who should be off limits. But in order for it to be considered slander, it would be required to be presented in a format that the reasonable person would consider to be true. Nothing presented on Saturday Night Live can be viewed as anything worse then an offensive parody.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s fine for him to think that it&#8217;s wrong to make fun of their children, but it&#8217;s clueless for him to call for a lawsuit that would be laughed out of court.</p>
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		<title>By: brien</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10142</link>
		<dc:creator>brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I looked at the video clip again - he didn't refer to SNL's parody of Sarah Palin, but of their portrayal of her husband and children.  Her CHILDREN!  I like tasteless humor as much as the next guy - but that's way out of bounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I looked at the video clip again - he didn&#8217;t refer to SNL&#8217;s parody of Sarah Palin, but of their portrayal of her husband and children.  Her CHILDREN!  I like tasteless humor as much as the next guy - but that&#8217;s way out of bounds.</p>
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		<title>By: brien</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10141</link>
		<dc:creator>brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10141</guid>
		<description>Parody is NOT the same as slander or libel.  It's an imitative mockery.  It's satirical, it's exaggerative, it's misrepresentative, and it can be offensive.  But, parody is (at least within certain subjective limits) THE TRUTH.

Gingrich isn't talking about parody.  He knows what he's talking about, and he's right.

Incidentally, the SNL thing is just an aside in this context.  The actual issue he's talking about is CNN reporter Drew Griffin's gross misrepresentation of a National Review article he was supposedly quoting during an interview with Sarah Palin.  His point is that the media goes to great lengths to make Sarah Palin look bad, by distorting facts and taking things out of context.

... which, ironically, is exactly what this little video clip does for Newt Gingrich.  He dares to point out this unfair treatment, and as a reward he's subjected to it himself.

Here's a link to the full article for those who prefer to be more fully informed:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443712,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parody is NOT the same as slander or libel.  It&#8217;s an imitative mockery.  It&#8217;s satirical, it&#8217;s exaggerative, it&#8217;s misrepresentative, and it can be offensive.  But, parody is (at least within certain subjective limits) THE TRUTH.</p>
<p>Gingrich isn&#8217;t talking about parody.  He knows what he&#8217;s talking about, and he&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the SNL thing is just an aside in this context.  The actual issue he&#8217;s talking about is CNN reporter Drew Griffin&#8217;s gross misrepresentation of a National Review article he was supposedly quoting during an interview with Sarah Palin.  His point is that the media goes to great lengths to make Sarah Palin look bad, by distorting facts and taking things out of context.</p>
<p>&#8230; which, ironically, is exactly what this little video clip does for Newt Gingrich.  He dares to point out this unfair treatment, and as a reward he&#8217;s subjected to it himself.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to the full article for those who prefer to be more fully informed:<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443712,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443712,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cidu Bill</title>
		<link>http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/2008/10/24/newt-gingrich-saturday-night-live-guilty-of-slander/#comment-10139</link>
		<dc:creator>Cidu Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hockey Baby-Mama, you answered your own question: It's scary because a powerful legislator was so thoroughly ignorant of the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hockey Baby-Mama, you answered your own question: It&#8217;s scary because a powerful legislator was so thoroughly ignorant of the law.</p>
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